Lockdown for the unvaccinated - or a full lockdown for everybody?

[PrincessNutNuts]

Which would you choose?

I follow youGov on Twitter and didn’t see this poll either

Deliberate misinterpretation. And here we go again with ‘it’s the fault of the government’. Except the majority governments are advocating the same thing worldwide albeit some more lax than others. And when people can’t get their head around that - they go down the worldwide conspiracy route.
And they can’t see that THEY are the problem.

[quote SpringKit]@MauraandLaura yes, your logic is flawed.

And this is what infuriates me.

Things are made clear to you by health professionals, people who are experts. People who have spent years studying and analysing.

Yet you still think your flawed interpretation is correct, and will blurt out things like ‘children don’t need the vaccine’.

Why do you think you know better than the best health professionals worldwide who have carried out in depth, peer reviewed research?[/quote]
Although JCVI did not recommend it, it was a small margin and CMO did with advice for each person to decide

So I don’t think pp is that off

I’m not against it being offered to 12 to 15 btw and 16 year old has had it but given JCVI decision it was a no and small margins

YouGov is funny as it’s a self selecting survey

Although I do remember one that went against general view on here and suddenly it was oh can’t trust that etc from pp who had relied upon it

And there have been some absolute clangers like sage every life so as polls go it’s not that sound

@TheNoonBell

Not going to do either. We had freedom day. If the government lied about freedom day then they need to resign or be removed.

Their choice.

Well they definitely lied.

Covid didn't go anywhere on July 19th 2021.

Vaccines aren't enough to keep it under control on their own.

Especially not at only 60-something percent of the population.

So, Freedom Day was obvious bullshit.

The whole thing is bullshit, I am not complying with any of it and will resist vigorously if the government attempt collective punishment for those of us who have done nothing wrong.

This is no longer about COVID, it is a fight traditional English cultural norms.

@TheNoonBell

The whole thing is bullshit, I am not complying with any of it and will resist vigorously if the government attempt collective punishment for those of us who have done nothing wrong.

This is no longer about COVID, it is a fight traditional English cultural norms.

What do you mean?

@TheNoonBell

The whole thing is bullshit, I am not complying with any of it and will resist vigorously if the government attempt collective punishment for those of us who have done nothing wrong.

This is no longer about COVID, it is a fight traditional English cultural norms.

Yep compliance will be pretty low if measures are re imposed

Also interested in mast line

YouGov results by age and politics.

Conservative voters slightly more likely to be in favour.

In favour increases with age but there's not as much much difference between the age groups as you might expect.

It’s not so much the politics it’s the type who bother with YouGov polls. Or link to them. It will filter out those not bothered, as it’s self selecting

So it’s not very good at representing views across the population. Same as asking questions to people who bother to turn up to a covid protest

It’s why people on there might say they want restrictions but popularity of government goes up when we have more freedoms and fewer restrictions

I wonder if they specified whether this would include under 12s?

What I mean is, we are about to enter a time of authoritarianism unseen since the time of Cromwell.

The upcoming removal of universal human rights and segregation of society is going to be a dark stain on our history.

Those who are calling for it are consigning us all to a very nasty future.

@ExceptionalAssurance

I wonder if they specified whether this would include under 12s?

It won't. It can't.

Well, if we're talking can't as in not something that could be achieved in reality, that's also true of an adult only unvaccinated lockdown, but they still asked so that's evidently not a deterrent. It mentions a 'similar' policy to over 12 lockdown elsewhere but doesn't give any further detail.

@ExceptionalAssurance

Well, if we're talking can't as in not something that could be achieved in reality, that's also true of an adult only unvaccinated lockdown, but they still asked so that's evidently not a deterrent. It mentions a 'similar' policy to over 12 lockdown elsewhere but doesn't give any further detail.

This was the question YouGov asked.

Yes, I know. I saw it a few mins ago and commented on it in my last post. I was also addressing the 'they can't' part in your second to last post. It is correct that there couldn't be a lockdown of the unvaccinated including under 12s, but as there also couldn't be one excluding them either, that's evidently not a consideration for yougov either. Basically we are not dealing with reality based options here.

@ExceptionalAssurance

Yes, I know. I saw it a few mins ago and commented on it in my last post. I was also addressing the 'they can't' part in your second to last post. It is correct that there couldn't be a lockdown of the unvaccinated including under 12s, but as there also couldn't be one excluding them either, that's evidently not a consideration for yougov either. Basically we are not dealing with reality based options here.

Why not?

Austria are having one.

YouGov is about as representative of the general public as MN is. Not at all.

People on YouGov are in favour of anything that applies to other people and not themselves. E.g. there was a poll recently suggesting 80+% of respondents were in favour of bringing back mandatory masking on public transport. But 80+% aren’t currently wearing masks on public transport. If they’re so in favour of them being mandatory again why don’t they start by wearing one themselves?

@RobinPenguins

People on YouGov are in favour of anything that applies to other people and not themselves. E.g. there was a poll recently suggesting 80+% of respondents were in favour of bringing back mandatory masking on public transport. But 80+% aren’t currently wearing masks on public transport. If they’re so in favour of them being mandatory again why don’t they start by wearing one themselves?

Wasn't there also a poll that had a majority vote about bringing in a night time curfew? Nothing to do with Covid... just all to do with stopping people going out after a certain time.

@Waxonwaxoff0

YouGov is about as representative of the general public as MN is. Not at all.

There is market segmentation, but the difference can be accounted for by the fact that the vocal minority just gets one vote over there.

On Mumsnet a handful of very motivated, vociferous, and prolific posters can feel like a majority but they're not.

Considering that to be considered fully vaccinated you need to have both doses of the vaccine, the 12-18 group would fall part of this so called lockdown (ie not a lockdown) as they are not and cannot be fully vaccinated. Can't imagine that going down well.

@tigger1001

Considering that to be considered fully vaccinated you need to have both doses of the vaccine, the 12-18 group would fall part of this so called lockdown (ie not a lockdown) as they are not and cannot be fully vaccinated. Can't imagine that going down well.

Anyone who was unable to have the full vaccine course would be exempt I should imagine.

And the full vaccine course is likely to be defined as including a booster.

Mn feels pro restrictions and more aligned to YouGov than irl. Especially if you look at other pressures re constituents or government popularity polls

Probably why YouGov gets linked often especially by those who align with that skew