Around 30,000 unvaccinated care staff will not be allowed to work from today.

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www.thesun.co.uk/health/16698590/care-home-staff-lose-job-unvaccinated/

This seems really concerning. I personally am in favour of the vaccination and I think care home staff should be vaccinated but this seems like a massive shortage of staff to compensate for in an industry that is already having difficulty with recruitment. What is the government doing to ensure vulnerable patients are getting the care they need?

It's utter madness.

Crazy

I think this is awful. I would not mind any relative of mine being looked after by unvaccinated staff. By now, most nhs and care staff have been exposed to covid. I would expect both vaccinated and unvaccinated staff to be wearing masks, as both can pass it on and good ventilation in rooms.

have you not thought they may have witnessed some vax injuries or worse in their workplaces. Or done their research. You don't sound like a very nice person at all

If someone was able to do research that disproves the wealth of evidence that having the jabs is overall better than not then they should be using their skills a top medical job anyway not in a care home. Or research @sunnymoo do you mean few anti vax SM posts?

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/10/care-homes-in-england-set-to-lose-50000-staff-as-covid-vaccine-becomes-mandatory

@Foghead

I think this is awful. I would not mind any relative of mine being looked after by unvaccinated staff. By now, most nhs and care staff have been exposed to covid. I would expect both vaccinated and unvaccinated staff to be wearing masks, as both can pass it on and good ventilation in rooms.

Exactly Unfortunately the government and media have done such a good job in creating such fear and divide, that now many people who this time last year were praising care home staff for everything they were doing now think these same staff will kill everyone just by looking at them if they have had no injections. They were saints one day, killers the next apparently

I wonder if the government will address this or ignore it.

i cant believe there are so many care workers refusing the vaccine

Seems a crazy policy. Many will leave the profession and go and work elsewhere for better pay and no shift work and no legal requirements to be vaccinated.
I’m pro vaccines but I’m completely against mandating vaccines.

I just can't get my head around why the actual f anyone would work in care and not grab the vaccine eagerly with both arms!!

Warhertisuff

Hey, Facebook Facts are just as valid as New Scientist facts.

Government may decide to use prisoners for this work like they mentioned doing for some other roles that people don't want to do where there are shortages

@EffOrfagain

Government may decide to use prisoners for this work like they mentioned doing for some other roles that people don't want to do where there are shortages

This work is not just functional, it involves caring for people. You can’t task random prisoners for this.

of course they wont use prisoners
you need a crb for one

I'll tell you why care home staff are leaving, the vaccine is the straw that broke the camels back, but because of the 'get it or get out' attitude.

1. It doesn't pay enough to have a half decent life on. 2)Free uniforms, training and DBS are seen as a perk of the job, a favour from employers rather than the employers responsibility.
2. How shift work affects you physically
3. No sick pay past SSP, even if it's something you catch/an injury sustained at work
4. Very high expectations with very low resources and staff to actually make it happen
5. Viewed as anything from unispired and unskilled workers to murderers by the general public - and treated as such
6. Ignored repeatedly when you raise concerns and overridden by those who hold the purse strings because you're seen as described above
7. Physical and verbal abuse, sometimes daily
8. Get the jab or get out, with no thought to how its going to impact those left and those receiving care
9. Up until covid the attitude towards carers being vaccinated for anything was 'If the residents have it, then you don't need to' nothing done to address that apart from get out.
10. For those who keep asking about why carers might be reluctant to be vaccinated, read the above, it's never, ever been an expectation, rather the opposite (cost too much money probably) those are the expectations are what we've worked with for years, we've been repeatedly thrown under the bus where covid is concerned, blamed for deaths we had to watch, care for, handhold through, with needs we're not trained to meet, we then had to tell families over the phone. We had bin bags and builders masks as our protection and no one still, wanted to listen. We did double and triple shifts to ensure the residents had some care at least. And now people wonder why we don't trust the government?!

Oh but you know, for a short time we got clapped by a few people wanting a break from their lockdowns and we got a couple of free pizza's 👍
Carers are walking because they've had enough of being shit on and then blamed for the smell. Perhaps when people can't get care for their relatives and can't cope they'll wake up to the reality of how carers are treated and why they've had enough, I doubt it though, we'll still be unskilled, uninspired, selfish, can't do any better skivvies of society.

I'd also caution against taking on board anything on MN or any other social media platform that someone "has heard", "been told" or (laughably) "someone high up"

I specifically said I wasn’t certain didn’t I.

We’re not in a court where people have to produce documented evidence to back up everything they say ffs. What is it with this demand for constant fucking evidence over an opinion or something a friend said, or an idea? It’s not normal.

Do you never discuss something your friend said? Or do you make sure to have documented evidence at all times? I can’t be arsed with these pitiful attempts to prove people wrong. People can discuss things and ideas without having to produce evidence to some random on the internet.

Are you aware that you’ve challenged both myself and SunnyMoo to provide evidence? Why should we? If you are interested in the possibility of the government recruiting Afghan refugees go and fucking google it yourself.I’m not your skivvy.

And you can’t have tried very hard to find the info about care home vaccine deaths before you attempted to have SunnyMoo provide links for you because there was only ten minutes between you both posting.

In your hurry to prove people wrong you don’t seem to have realised that
SunnyMoo was pondering if maybe some carers had witnessed vax side effects. You’ve immediately challenged her for evidence. I don’t think you’re even bothering to read things properly. That’s what’s laughable.

And you are completely wrong that carers only have to sign a piece of paper. Perhaps take the time to read things properly instead of trying to be right because challenging people for evidence is hostile and a twisted type of “GOTCHA” game that many of us know all too well.

Nobody has to prove anything to you.

"And you are completely wrong that carers only have to sign a piece of paper"

I haven't said they do.

But when posters with dangerous and misleading agendas post lies, presumably to ramp up fear and mistrust in science, then yes, I'll ask for evidence proving the contrary.

The whole care home sector is a disgrace.
Care staff treated like shit on minimum wage to look after people. It says everything.
Residents treated like shit by the management in favour of profit.
I mean, you pay around £800 a week for a place and the meals you get are cooked with tesco basics ingredients ! Nothing wrong with tesco basics as such but the mentality behind it is appalling.
There is very little or no caring, be it for residents or staff. It’s about money and profit.
Care staff have just been offered the ideal excuse to quit if they couldn’t be motivated to do it before now.

I just can't get my head around why the actual f anyone would work in care and not grab the vaccine eagerly with both arms!!

You must have heard peoples reasons for not wanting it. Is it that you don’t understand their concerns or that you don’t accept them?

Many carers who are concerned about their own health have had regular antibody testing. They are immune, they don’t need it.

"Are you aware that you’ve challenged both myself and SunnyMoo to provide evidence? Why should we? If you are interested in the possibility of the government recruiting Afghan refugees go and fucking google it yourself.I’m not your skivvy."

You said you'd heard about the Afghan refugees. Other posters linked to articles proving you had heard wrong. I haven't asked you anything about Afghan refugees because other posters had already debunked that one.

I asked Sunnymoo for any evidence of vaccine related deaths in carehomes. Because I can't find any article anywhere about any. If it were a massive (other) govt cover-up it should be brought into the public domain.

I did find this:
fullfact.org/online/care-home-deaths-2021/, but obviously that's from earlier this year.

When there was no vaccine and deaths were high and everyone was getting furloughed, these unvaccinated care workers risked their lives to deliver care, often in poor PPE everyone clapped and acted like they were heroes.
Many of them stayed in the care homes away from their families for months at a time.

My DH thinks it's a great thing whereas I think it is appalling. That's the issue as it is a real divide so lots of people will be applauding the government for this.

I feel sorry for those losing their jobs and hope they find better ones.

Exactly Jobseeker19. Carers were good enough at the most dangerous part of the pandemic, when the majority of the patients families were tucked up nice and safe, WFH.
Now carers are being labelled as biohazard killers of the vulnerable.

If someone came down even half as hard on providers for failure to meet their duty of care where staffing levels, training and treatment were concerned, and the government for underfunding the care that people need then care would improve over night.
Where's the appetite for that though?