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CalamariGames · 2021-11-11T10:05:04+00:00

[[https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/16698590/care-home-staff-lose-job-unvaccinated/]] This seems really concerning. I personally am in favour of the vaccination and I think care home staff should be vaccinated but this seems like a massive shortage of staff to compensate for in an industry that is already having difficulty with recruitment. What is the government doing to ensure vulnerable patients are getting the care they need?

FlorenciaFlora · 12/11/2021 04:50

Big changes are happening in social care. I do not know for certain but I was told the government will be recruiting around 20,000 people from Afghanistan to replace them. If that’s the case they will still have problems because I think they need to fill around 80,000 vacancies.

www.gov.uk/government/news/adult-social-care-campaign-to-build-bigger-and-better-workforce

rrhuth · 12/11/2021 04:54

This might be a counter productive move, because the more the government bullies on the vaccine the more the anti-vax movement gains strength.

Wish the government would try to understand why people are resistant and try to tackle it.

I'm worried about the vacancy rate and care home closures.

rrhuth · 12/11/2021 04:55

[quote FlorenciaFlora]Big changes are happening in social care. I do not know for certain but I was told the government will be recruiting around 20,000 people from Afghanistan to replace them. If that’s the case they will still have problems because I think they need to fill around 80,000 vacancies.

www.gov.uk/government/news/adult-social-care-campaign-to-build-bigger-and-better-workforce[/quote]
Told by whom?

I am at this unsubstantiated rumour.

namechangerforthisconfessionn · 12/11/2021 04:56

Well it's a quicker way to collapse the NHS when care homes can't operate so can't accept clients back from hospitals. If it hasn't collapsed by April they'll sack the 10% of the NHS workforce who aren't fully vaccinated. Such a sad time especially when the majority of workers will be naturally immune due to working throughout the pandemic unvaccinated when the government sent Covid positive cases straight in to the care homes

FlorenciaFlora · 12/11/2021 05:01

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FlorenciaFlora · 12/11/2021 05:16

www.homecareinsight.co.uk/adult-social-care-receives-162m-for-workforce-retention-and-recruitment/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/care-home-giant-pledges-hire-24842118

rrhuth · 12/11/2021 05:19

[quote FlorenciaFlora]www.homecareinsight.co.uk/adult-social-care-receives-162m-for-workforce-retention-and-recruitment/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/care-home-giant-pledges-hire-24842118[/quote]
The article talks of 500 care workers, and the article talks of the 20,000 resettled Afghani people, but that does not = 20,000 care workers from Afghanistan?

ShinyHappyPoster · 12/11/2021 05:21

It seems like a deliberate attempt to bring the care system and the NHS to its knees so the Government can push towards privatisation and giving large contracts to private companies for new recruitment/training drives, etc.
This has been one of the most destructive Conservative governments in living memory. They are dismantling everything that defined the UK and it will take a long time for their deliberate sabotage to be undone.

Juniper68 · 12/11/2021 05:26

@ShinyHappyPoster

It seems like a deliberate attempt to bring the care system and the NHS to its knees so the Government can push towards privatisation and giving large contracts to private companies for new recruitment/training drives, etc. This has been one of the most destructive Conservative governments in living memory. They are dismantling everything that defined the UK and it will take a long time for their deliberate sabotage to be undone.

Spot on

EffOrfagain · 12/11/2021 05:34

Hopefully they will all get better jobs, there couldn't be much worse jobs than working in a care home

FlorenciaFlora · 12/11/2021 05:35

The article talks of 500 care workers, and the article talks of the 20,000 resettled Afghani people, but that does not = 20,000 care workers from Afghanistan?

Thats why I said I don’t know for certain. A friend told me that someone high up had told her. I did see some info on gov.uk and there is millions set aside for recruitment ,travel ,accommodation and visas. I’ll try to find it. It does not say people from Afghanistan but it’s clear they will be recruiting from abroad.

There’s a lot of money being put into artificial technology in this campaign and I’m hoping it doesn’t replace actual care.

I’m also a bit concerned by the rapid online training and what appears to be the relaxing of the DBS checks.

EffOrfagain · 12/11/2021 05:41

At least the poor people down the job centre will have an excuse not to go into care work if they haven't had their jabs, care homes are usually where the jobless are sent.

Squeezyhug · 12/11/2021 05:42

@FlorenciaFlora

“Well they’re obviously not the brightest are they? They’ve had ample warnings and chances to get vaccinated and would rather not do it and be out of work before Christmas?

It’s their choice, but they shouldn’t be eligible for benefits”

They probably already had new jobs to go to, having applied in advance.
The care sector is notoriously under paid, undervalued and heavy work. They probably think it’s the best thing they did !

For those that don’t have a job, I think it’s weird you think it’s ok that their children should suffer poverty.

Trixiefirecracker · 12/11/2021 05:46

I mean it’s in the Sun, is it even true?

BritWifeInUSA · 12/11/2021 06:08

It’s already happened here in the US. In our state all state employees, healthcare worker and teachers have to prove they are vaxxed or they are fired. This has been the case for about a month. Already we have lost hundreds of state troopers, the state ferries have had to cut services, teachers are being fired and the shortage is so bad that now anyone 18 or over can work as an emergency teacher, and we are being told that the roads won’t be plowed this winter (we get several feet of snow each year). From January everyone in the private sector who works for a company with at least 100 employees will also have to prove they are vaxxed or be fired. That’ll be me out of a job then, even though I’ve worked at home full time for the last 5 years.

Lollolloll · 12/11/2021 06:14

@userperuser

There won’t be any need for benefits as there are plenty of better paid jobs on the market at the moment with better conditions, I’m sure a lot will never look back.

Good luck to them then, I mean that genuinely.

Care work is terribly paid for what they have to do.

Sugarandtime · 12/11/2021 06:16

It’s a sad and twisted world we now live in.
The government’s wanted to divide and conquer and that’s exactly what’s happened.

So sad that so many have allowed this to happen and scary that they also seem so happy about it.
I wonder if they have always been like this or if it’s the constant fear they have that has caused them to be so nasty.

Reduceddutiesboredom · 12/11/2021 06:17

@BritWifeInUSA
That sounds crazy! Anyone over 18 can be a teacher, without a qualification?

Sorry about your job, hopefully the rules change or you can find other employment.

sunnymoo · 12/11/2021 06:25

@Lollolloll

Well they’re obviously not the brightest are they? They’ve had ample warnings and chances to get vaccinated and would rather not do it and be out of work before Christmas?

It’s their choice, but they shouldn’t be eligible for benefits.

have you not thought they may have witnessed some vax injuries or worse in their workplaces. Or done their research. You don't sound like a very nice person at all

CovidCorvid · 12/11/2021 06:27

@Lollolloll

Well they’re obviously not the brightest are they? They’ve had ample warnings and chances to get vaccinated and would rather not do it and be out of work before Christmas?

It’s their choice, but they shouldn’t be eligible for benefits.

If you’ve got elderly relatives you realise due to care homes closing there may not be any spaces and you may have to quit your job to care for people. Oh and by the way…if you quit your job you won’t be eligible for benefits. 👍

Why on Earth should people be forced to have a drug which has been proven to kill people? Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had 3 doses and am happy to take that small risk. But if I was younger with no health issues and knew the chances are that covid would be a sniffle for me I maybe wouldn’t want it. Wouldn’t want to risk getting a blood clot. People should always have that choice. It’s disgusting how care home staff and now nhs staff are being treated. These people worked in covid hotspots with no ppe and no vaccine, risked their lives daily to care for others and now they’re being thrown aside so the govt can give their mates contracts, etc.

Neron · 12/11/2021 06:34

I feel we are going to lose a lot more elderly and vulnerable people, and it's nothing to do with unvaccinated people.

FlorenciaFlora · 12/11/2021 06:34

It seems like a deliberate attempt to bring the care system and the NHS to its knees so the Government can push towards privatisation and giving large contracts to private companies for new recruitment/training drives, etc

I agree, and I think the public are going to support it.

There are several disturbing reports now from Amnesty International and other organisations about some of the unlawful policies that were put in place. It’s claimed those policy’s resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths. If I remember rightly the CQC report said that disabled people accounted for 6 in 10 deaths and the biggest risk factor for covid was being in an institution. Many of those deaths were not caused by covid but by blanket Dnrs and the removal of basic care via government instructions.

Some reports say staff reported these issues but also that many were too scared too. Some left. Some reported issues to organisations like Amnesty. It’s alledged that some families reported their relatives death to the police.

At the same time these policy’s were in place we were being encouraged to show our appreciation and nhs staff finally got the recognition they deserved. They got special shopping hours and discounts and we clapped every week.They were heroes and we were repeatedly told to stay at home to save the nhs.

Somewhere between then and now the gov came up with the plan for a new social care campaign and suddenly found billions for it from thin air despite cutting it year after year as we all know.

And now they’re sacking staff just around the time of this announcement of this new social care campaign.They’ve blamed staff for these outbreaks and encouraged the public to treat them like shit.And the public obliged.They’ve been abused and mocked for their decision to decline the vaccine and I don’t doubt that many were cut off by family and friends.

We’ve also got all the unnecessary deaths from cancelled ops and people becoming seriously sick because they can’t see a gp, this is rammed down our throat every day yet little is done about it and we’re still hearing daily about saving the Nhs.

So now we have respected organisations raising really serious concerns and demanding an urgent enquiry and thousands of pissed off staff that now have nothing to lose by speaking up.

I think we will have an enquiry and I think the enquiry will blame the Nhs for misinterpreting the guidance and declare that nothing like this can ever happen again and the nhs simply must be privatised.

PAFMO · 12/11/2021 06:35

@sunnymoo

They'd be very unlucky to see vaccination injuries in their workplace beyond the usual sore arm, headache etc. I've googled and can't find that any of the (suspected) vaccine deaths in the UK happened in carehomes. Do you have a link?

I'd also caution against taking on board anything on MN or any other social media platform that someone "has heard", "been told" or (laughably) "someone high up".

It's more helpful to look at data. As can be seen from the above, there's rather a lot of difference from "hearing" that 20,000 Afghans are being brought to the UK to the truth, that potentially 500 Afghan citizens already in the UK may start to be recruited for employment they are able and willing to undertake.

FlorenciaFlora · 12/11/2021 06:38

Cera is a massive care provider Trixiefirecracker. They have quite a lot of details about it on their site.

PAFMO · 12/11/2021 06:41

@FlorenciaFlora