Mandatory vaccination

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So I am not anti vac and have had my two doses and booster booked for next week. I do genuinely understand why a lot of my work colleagues are reluctant..Drs ,nurses ,carers etc . They are young people in their 20s/30s who are scared about the long term side effects ie infertility,blood disorders ..it’s very easy for people who are not in a job involving health care to be so critical of these lovely people .
Yes hepatitis B jab is mandatory for some but the hep jab has had many years of trials.
Can I ask everyone reading my post if you would be 100% happy if their 20 something children had this vaccine?

There is no known vaccine that has long term adverse effects. There are absolutely some short term (almost immediate) adverse effects

There was a dengue fever vaccine that killed children through something called ADE (antibody dependent enhancement): www.science.org/content/article/dengue-vaccine-fiasco-leads-criminal-charges-researcher-philippines

It’s not immediate, so was rolled out to nearly one million children before they understood what was actually happening with ADE (basically kids would have an even deadlier reaction after the jab with any breakthrough infection if they never had dengue previous to the shot). Now you can only have the shot if you had dengue fever once already.

But the real harm wasn’t that vaccine—it led to a mistrust in ALL vaccines and reduced uptake in measles vaccine, which killed a lot more children.

You really have to be careful when rolling out vaccines—ADE is no joke, and myocarditis is no joke either. It could also lead to loss of faith in more established vaccines, which really would be a public health crisis.

No absolutely not.

I’m delighted that my children have had the vaccine. And one has demonstrated that it had no effect on her fertility.

No, my children will not have the vaccine. I had them and my period has not come back in three months. Same with my friend. We were told that the vaccine is new and they do not know yet why but it could be a temporary side effect. Ffs. Glad I had my kids and was not trying to conceive like my friend.

@fournonblondes

No, my children will not have the vaccine. I had them and my period has not come back in three months. Same with my friend. We were told that the vaccine is new and they do not know yet why but it could be a temporary side effect. Ffs. Glad I had my kids and was not trying to conceive like my friend.

If your children are in their 20s, (see OP) how are you going to stop them if they want to be vaccinated?

What fertility problems ??

OP I share your concerns.

The media fed us a biased narrative throughout 2020 and 2021. Mortality rates in 2020 were no worse than in 2009, adjusting for age of population.

I believe we are being similarly misled about the vaccines. It has been reported that only 9 people have died in the U.K. because of Covid vaccination. This is because the ONS only register deaths confirmed by inquest or post-mortem.

According to the Yellow Card reporting system, the U.K. vaccine death toll stands at over 1,730. Reported adverse reactions are over 23,000.

Questions about short-term safety are being swept aside. Obviously we know nothing about long-term effects.

@OverTheRubicon

I actually do have a relative In a similar situation and I still feel the same. They have had the injection to protect themselves, they can still catch the virus from somebody who has also had the injections or the supermarket, bus etc

The staff are all wearing full PPE and test daily, I feel they are much more protected with the staff doing that.

@CurlyGirlsMum

OP I share your concerns.

The media fed us a biased narrative throughout 2020 and 2021. Mortality rates in 2020 were no worse than in 2009, adjusting for age of population.

I believe we are being similarly misled about the vaccines. It has been reported that only 9 people have died in the U.K. because of Covid vaccination. This is because the ONS only register deaths confirmed by inquest or post-mortem.

According to the Yellow Card reporting system, the U.K. vaccine death toll stands at over 1,730. Reported adverse reactions are over 23,000.

Questions about short-term safety are being swept aside. Obviously we know nothing about long-term effects.

Excess mortality for 2020 was significantly higher than in the preceding 5 years. Approximately 78,000 people higher. 97% of those 78,000 are Covid cases. (ONS report, linked to many times, whenever someone tries to say the opposite)

If your children are in their 20s, (see OP) how are you going to stop them if they want to be vaccinated?

They decided not to have it.

@PAFMO 2015-2019 were years of unusually low mortality. That does not make 2020 a year of massive death toll in recent times.

@Girliefriendlikespuppies

I work in the NHS and am vaccinated but I honestly think this will be a disaster, the NHS can not lose any more staff - we're on our knees!!

I think there will be a higher risk to patients because of a lack of staff than the risk of catching CV.

Between brexit and CV staffing within the care and health sector is at breaking point.

I totally agree. This useless government never think things through to the obvious conclusion.

@CurlyGirlsMum

Here's the actual numbers about proven vaccine deaths.

blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/

"The Yellow Card reporting scheme has reported that between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines. This is the number of deaths reported as possibly linked to a vaccine, however they will not have been fully investigated at the time of reporting and a report is not proof of causation. So, the numbers are likely to be a big overestimate. The MHRA follow up all such reports and use other sources of evidence such as the numbers of individuals who would be expected to experience different events irrespective of vaccination.

In contrast, the different statistical agencies have reported that to August 2021 (June 2021 in Northern Ireland) there were 4 deaths in England, 0 deaths in Wales, 4 deaths in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland. Of these, 4 in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland had the vaccine as the underlying cause of death. This meant that there were 9 deaths in the UK that involved the vaccine (meaning the vaccine contributed to the death), of which 5 had the vaccine as the underlying cause (meaning the vaccine initiated the chain of events directly leading to the death). For these deaths, there was evidence to suggest that the vaccine played a part in the chain of events that led to the death."

So 9. Not 1700.

Yes, they may be found to have been caused by the vaccine. But then again, they may not.

Also, it does not have to be that people are scare of side effects. Some people would be not worry about the risks of the virus if they are younger and fitter. Some will not have unnecessary boosters. It is not like the Spanish flu that was bad for young people. Each to their own and is wrong that is now mandatory to keep a job at the NHS.

[quote CurlyGirlsMum]@PAFMO 2015-2019 were years of unusually low mortality. That does not make 2020 a year of massive death toll in recent times.[/quote]
Read the ONS report.
You are wrong.

@PAFMO …pressed too soon. I was going to point out that a death was reported as being a Covid death if the deceased had had a positive test in the past month, or if Covid was listed anywhere on the death certificate.

This is unusual. Normally when someone dies with several causes listed, only the first is in the statistics as the cause of death. Counting Covid deaths where it was second or third cause has massively swelled the numbers.

An analysis in Italy took this into account, and suggested that instead of well over 100,000 Covid deaths, Italy had had about 4,000. Similar analysis here would likely change our figures drastically.

[quote CurlyGirlsMum]@PAFMO …pressed too soon. I was going to point out that a death was reported as being a Covid death if the deceased had had a positive test in the past month, or if Covid was listed anywhere on the death certificate.

This is unusual. Normally when someone dies with several causes listed, only the first is in the statistics as the cause of death. Counting Covid deaths where it was second or third cause has massively swelled the numbers.

An analysis in Italy took this into account, and suggested that instead of well over 100,000 Covid deaths, Italy had had about 4,000. Similar analysis here would likely change our figures drastically.[/quote]
The "of Covid/with Covid" thing has been debunked many times on many threads. The last one on Monday iirc. Look it up.

Do you have a link to the Italian study?
I speak Italian- it can be in the original language if necessary. Thanks.

@PAFMO No link but it was on IlTempo.It on 21 October.

[quote CurlyGirlsMum]@PAFMO No link but it was on IlTempo.It on 21 October.[/quote]
factcheck.afp.com/http%253A%252F%252Fdoc.afp.com%252F9QZ8JW-1

Fake news. Debunked very quickly after by the ISS in Italy.

@Hodl

Which jabs produced in the last century went on to have mysterious long term effects that decimated the population or gave everybody strange diseases, like people claim the Covid vaccine could do

Pandemrix. Not the whole population, but for those who developed narcolepsy and cataplexy after the vaccine I'd hazard a guess they wish they'd never had it.

Those symptoms came up within a couple of months. The Covid vaccines have been used for over a year without major issues (there will always be people having adverse reactions to medication and jabs) - so those against the vaccine are now pushing the ‘in 10 years…’ narrative.

Again, what are these diseases we’re all at risk of getting, and why would it take 10 years for them to show up? Science-backed answers only please, I don’t need YouTube or Facebook quotes that are not peer reviewed by anyone other than the poster itself.

Those saying the choice is either have the jab or leave the NHS: this is not choice, this is coercion.

The next thing will be unvaccinated people will be banned from shops, cafes, pubs, banks, other workplaces. This is already the case in many countries including France, Israel, UAE, coming to NZ etc. This will be happening in the UK next year. Choice? Fair? Free society? No, it’s tyranny plain and simple.

Just for a moment think about the fourth, fifth and sixth boosters, if you have nasty side effects from one of the jabs and you really cant face another, you will lose your job and be outcast from society. Is that ok with you?

@EileenGC All the Covid vaccine producers asked for and got a legal indemnity in case problems arise in future. They did not specify what problems they were concerned about - maybe none at all.

Ruud Dobber of AstraZeneca gave a statement to Reuters in July 2020, in which he said ‘we as a company cannot take the risk if in four years the vaccine is showing side effects.’

He doesn’t sound very worried but doesn’t sound complacent either.

[quote PAFMO]@CurlyGirlsMum

Here's the actual numbers about proven vaccine deaths.

blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/

"The Yellow Card reporting scheme has reported that between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines. This is the number of deaths reported as possibly linked to a vaccine, however they will not have been fully investigated at the time of reporting and a report is not proof of causation. So, the numbers are likely to be a big overestimate. The MHRA follow up all such reports and use other sources of evidence such as the numbers of individuals who would be expected to experience different events irrespective of vaccination.

In contrast, the different statistical agencies have reported that to August 2021 (June 2021 in Northern Ireland) there were 4 deaths in England, 0 deaths in Wales, 4 deaths in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland. Of these, 4 in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland had the vaccine as the underlying cause of death. This meant that there were 9 deaths in the UK that involved the vaccine (meaning the vaccine contributed to the death), of which 5 had the vaccine as the underlying cause (meaning the vaccine initiated the chain of events directly leading to the death). For these deaths, there was evidence to suggest that the vaccine played a part in the chain of events that led to the death."

So 9. Not 1700.

Yes, they may be found to have been caused by the vaccine. But then again, they may not.[/quote]
To be fair, the same can also apply to the government’s own deaths within 28 days of the injections figures