Mandatory vaccination

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So I am not anti vac and have had my two doses and booster booked for next week. I do genuinely understand why a lot of my work colleagues are reluctant..Drs ,nurses ,carers etc . They are young people in their 20s/30s who are scared about the long term side effects ie infertility,blood disorders ..it’s very easy for people who are not in a job involving health care to be so critical of these lovely people .
Yes hepatitis B jab is mandatory for some but the hep jab has had many years of trials.
Can I ask everyone reading my post if you would be 100% happy if their 20 something children had this vaccine?

@Clocktopus

No-one knows what the long term effects will be

Except we have evidence to the contrary

No vaccine has ever suddenly started showing side effects several years down the line purely and simply because vaccines don't work that way. You have your jab (or spray), it primes your immune system to be on the lookout for a particular threat, and then over a very short period of time it is filtered out of your body via the usual means, within a few weeks there is no vaccine left in your system. Repeat process for any boosters. Any side effects, even those with long term impacts, will show up within those first few weeks following the vaccine being administered.

The first covid jabs were given over a year and a half ago (April 2020) and the mass vaccination programme began nearly a year ago (December 2020). With over 4 billion people vaccinated worldwide (and climbing), if there was an impact on fertility or widespread long term side effects, we would have seen it by now.

Once more for those in the back!

@Clocktopus

I am just concerned that the Covid Vaccine has not been fully researched

Except it has been fully researched.

There has been research ongoing for many years into coronaviruses and vaccines for these, including research into the common cold (also a coronavirus), there was also research into a SARS vaccine. When the pandemic hit, all of this prior research was able to be applied to the Covid-19 research so they weren't starting from scratch.

The development process for a vaccine usually goes like this:

Have idea for vaccine, apply for approval to look into viability > wait for approval > obtain approval, apply for funding > wait for funding > begin preliminary research, findings look promising, apply for approval to proceed to next stage > approval obtained > apply for funding > wait for funding > obtain funding > proceed to development stage, idea is viable > apply for approval to proceed to next stage > apply for funding > wait and repeat for years and years knowing that the whole thing could be shelved if any of the approval/funding stages are denied

As a result of a pandemic, the teams researching the vaccines were given more or less unlimited funding and were given permission to expedite the development stages by running each stage concurrently with the next stage. No development stages were skipped or skimped on. This is how quickly a vaccine can be developed when it has the right funding thrown at it and research is shared instead of hoarded.

Needs to be pinned!

This old article sums up how Moderna and Pfizer etc were able to be developed so swiftly.

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly#mRNA-technology

@RosesAndHellebores

My 20 something children have both had it and were keen to do so.

I would be really worried about being treated by anyone who works for the NHS who hasn't had the jab - not just due to the risks of them having Covid but also because I would question their judgement and ability to analyse complex data. If they can't do that adequately, they probably aren't bright enough to be responsible for another humans care.

What a nasty thing to say What a horrible society we have became with people thinking this way about nurses. Those people so many clapped for last year

The injections are to protect myself, nobody else.
If I was unfortunate enough to be in hospital requiring care, I would certainly not be checking the nurses injection status.
It’s absolutely none of my business, I would just be extremely great full for the care they provide and that they are bright and caring enough to be able to do such an amazing job.

I don't know if my adult DS has had it as I haven't asked him, he may have done but its not something he would necessarily mention, he did mention that he had Covid in March 2020 though

They would not mandate if you’ve already had Covid surely?

I'm surprised people would know about adult family members medical stuff unless they were under 18, do people tell their family if they had other jabs and smear tests and stuff like that, my DH would know but that's about it.

My DD 21 has had both doses, her periods haven't returned yet - GP told her it was due to her age and nothing to do with the vaccine (Pfizer.) Up until then, they'd been regular. 🤔

DS 13 is not having the vaccine. He had covid a few months ago, asymptomatic, we only found out when he was tested in school.

Obviously people in their 20s and older are entitled to make their own minds up.

My teen has had it. It's not mandatory to work in healthcare, anyone who feels that strongly can pursue another career.

My DS’ 20 & 18 are not taking the vaccine, their choice. Neither of them work in healthcare.

Which jabs produced in the last century went on to have mysterious long term effects that decimated the population or gave everybody strange diseases, like people claim the Covid vaccine could do

Pandemrix. Not the whole population, but for those who developed narcolepsy and cataplexy after the vaccine I'd hazard a guess they wish they'd never had it.

My almost 21 yr old has had both vaccines and now waiting for the booster date.

Yes. I'd also be happy for very young children if I had any, to have it.

Pandemrix was not in the 70s it was in 2009.
Astra Zeneca is a viral vector vaccine which is also a new technology.
Just to cleat up a couple of incorrect assertions.

It would make much more sense to just swab test everyone daily, both staff and patients.

Well if you're patient facing you will now have to have it.

Not sure what the definition of patient facing is as there are a large group of people - cleaners, admin, maintenance workers - that are not dealing directly with patients but do come into contact regularly as part of their job.

OP, you are in your 50s, doubly vaccinated and work in a carehome.

You are therefore more aware than many of the devastation that letting Covid run rife in such a setting can do. Right?

Not quite sure why the 20 year old hypothesis comes in, unless it's your child and you don't want them vaccinated/do want them vaccinated but they don't.

In any case- at 20 years old it's sweet FA to do with parents what the child decides to do.

That said, I'd have been disappointed in the lack of intelligence had my (then) 17 year old not wanted her double vaccination. It was never on the cards as she's not one for believing Dr. Google.

Any anti-vaxxer working in a healthcare setting is oxymoronic and doesn't deserve their salary and that's a hill I'm prepared to die on. There have been NO valid anti-vax reasons thus far, and nor will there be, aside from people who are actually allergic to the ingredients. None.

No. If you are not at risk from covid, why would you?
It only protects against infection & transmission for a matter of weeks. More & more days supports this.

All my 3 children have had it. However, I don't agree with to enforce it on people who may have spent years on training before working in the NHS. Hepatitis B is compulsory, but this is known before starting a HP course.

@morticiamarkle

No. If you are not at risk from covid, why would you? It only protects against infection & transmission for a matter of weeks. More & more days supports this.

No 'days' support this.

@morticiamarkle

No. If you are not at risk from covid, why would you? It only protects against infection & transmission for a matter of weeks. More & more days supports this.

I'm sure you have s reputable link to show that? Because the BMJ, Nature, The Scientist etc all confirm at least 6mths for AZ and more for the others. I'm sure you know better though.

@Sugarandtime

The injections are to protect myself, nobody else. If I was unfortunate enough to be in hospital requiring care, I would certainly not be checking the nurses injection status. It’s absolutely none of my business, I would just be extremely great full for the care they provide and that they are bright and caring enough to be able to do such an amazing job.

And how would you feel if you had an immune-compromised child being cared for by one of those nurses? Or a loved parent in a care home staffed by people at much higher risk of catching covid? You might not feel they're very caring then...

Yes and my DS17 has had 2 vaccinations by choice.
With regard to NHS workers, many frontline workers had antibodies when tested. Their reluctance to have the vaccine may not be based on fear but the fact they felt they didn’t need it initially as they were already immune. I would think some haven’t needed it because they haven’t seen patients face to face for nearly 2 years. However now we are moving towards full return to normal service these individuals need protection.

Hmm

Known short term risks of the vaccine PLUS Unknown yet unlikely long-term risks of the vaccine

Vs

Known and likely short and long term risks of contracting Covid PLUS known likelihood of infecting others and putting pressure on the health system

I am sympathetic to anyone who can’t take the vaccine for clinical reasons…

But anyone else? Not so.