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Mandatory vaccination

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amsadandconfused · 09/11/2021 22:20

So I am not anti vac and have had my two doses and booster booked for next week. I do genuinely understand why a lot of my work colleagues are reluctant..Drs ,nurses ,carers etc . They are young people in their 20s/30s who are scared about the long term side effects ie infertility,blood disorders ..it’s very easy for people who are not in a job involving health care to be so critical of these lovely people .
Yes hepatitis B jab is mandatory for some but the hep jab has had many years of trials.
Can I ask everyone reading my post if you would be 100% happy if their 20 something children had this vaccine?

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OverTheRubicon · 09/11/2021 22:37

Every doctor I know (and in my family and line of work that is a lot) is vaccinated. Most of the nurses, though not all. Most of the care workers, but a much lower percentage.

I worry about service users and the already stretched care sector, and have limited sympathy at this point.

Those with medical education are lining up to get jabs and boosters, while those with minimal or no medical background want to have the right to spread illness to vulnerable patients and more, because of something said by their sister's aunt's best friend, or a Facebook post? It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

EileenGC · 09/11/2021 22:39

@Mojoj

I completely understand why these younger members of caring profession don't want the vaccination. No-one knows what the long term effects will be. And as for jabbing kids with it......
Which jabs produced in the last century went on to have mysterious long term effects that decimated the population or gave everybody strange diseases, like people claim the Covid vaccine could do?

Vaccines are safe, otherwise they wouldn’t pass all the necessary trials and testing to be approved.

You know what no one knows either? The long term effects of Covid, or of a societal and economical change due to a longer-than-necessary pandemic.

Clocktopus · 09/11/2021 22:43

No-one knows what the long term effects will be

Except we have evidence to the contrary

No vaccine has ever suddenly started showing side effects several years down the line purely and simply because vaccines don't work that way. You have your jab (or spray), it primes your immune system to be on the lookout for a particular threat, and then over a very short period of time it is filtered out of your body via the usual means, within a few weeks there is no vaccine left in your system. Repeat process for any boosters. Any side effects, even those with long term impacts, will show up within those first few weeks following the vaccine being administered.

The first covid jabs were given over a year and a half ago (April 2020) and the mass vaccination programme began nearly a year ago (December 2020). With over 4 billion people vaccinated worldwide (and climbing), if there was an impact on fertility or widespread long term side effects, we would have seen it by now.

yikesanotherbooboo · 09/11/2021 22:45

My 3 20 somethings are double vaxxed and the youngest has had their third dose.They have had no qualms about it .They aren't in the caring professions they just read reliable information and would like to mitigate illness if they catch covid , minimise inconvenience to their work colleagues and above all protect their friends, family and the wider public.They are not prissy or smug they are just thoughtful and quite normal.

Michellebops · 09/11/2021 22:46

It's quite hypocritical to get yourself vaccinated but not want your kids to have the same level of protection!

People had fertility issues before the vaccine and before Covid! There is still plenty of people conceiving. Fertility issues cannot be blamed on vaccines alone.

SickAndTiredAgain · 09/11/2021 22:46

There is no known vaccine that has long term adverse effects.

Wasn’t there a vaccine linked to narcolepsy? Don’t jump on me if this was proven not to be a link, as I said I’ve had the covid vaccine. Just wondering if this was a long term effect of a particular vaccine (swine flu? Have I totally got this wrong?)

Garfunkle · 09/11/2021 22:48

All my adult dc have had both vaccines. Why wouldn’t they?

SickAndTiredAgain · 09/11/2021 22:49

@FromEden

The most common reported side effect in vaers is disruption or changes to menstruation. They are only just beginning to investigate this now, it wasn't part of the studies. So I don't think anyone can say there no effects on fertility in some people.
They are not “only just beginning” to investigate it because I was part of a study logging cycles pre and post vaccine when I had my first one months ago.
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amsadandconfused · 09/11/2021 22:49

Thank you for all the replies…I am just concerned that the Covid Vaccine has not been fully researched and the company that have rolled it out have given a non disclaimer if people think there are side effects . Anyway this has been my concern …thank you for all your replies.X

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Clocktopus · 09/11/2021 22:50

Wasn’t there a vaccine linked to narcolepsy?

It was a swine flu vaccine in the 70s. The three main takeaways from the whole affair were

1, testing processes became far more stringent. Vaccine testing now is a world away from vaccine testing in the 70s

2, it is unknown how many of those people would have developed narcolepsy anyway as the case rate was not significantly different to rates of narcolepsy amongst the general population

3, it did not occur years after the vaccine was given because side effects, even long term or life changing side effects (which are very rare) crop up within the first few weeks after the vaccine being given

Jammydodge2 · 09/11/2021 22:51

I'm a frontline nurse, we have massive staffing issues already, will the goverment actually go ahead and sack 1000s of health care workers, dunno

I'm fully vaccinated, but I will stand with people that are not vaccinated, everyone has a choice

PurpleDaisies · 09/11/2021 22:53

@amsadandconfused

Thank you for all the replies…I am just concerned that the Covid Vaccine has not been fully researched and the company that have rolled it out have given a non disclaimer if people think there are side effects . Anyway this has been my concern …thank you for all your replies.X
The companies that make vaccines it aren’t responsible for deciding it is safe to give to people. That has been done by the MHRA in the uk.

Good to know you were so concerned that you decided to have one of the vaccines yourself and possibly a different one for your booster.

DramaAlpaca · 09/11/2021 22:53

My three children are in their 20s and I am very pleased that they all got vaccinated.

Tealightsandd · 09/11/2021 22:55

They are young people in their 20s/30s who are scared about the long term side effects ie infertility,blood disorders

In which case I expect they'll have rushed to get vaccinated.

Clocktopus · 09/11/2021 22:58

I am just concerned that the Covid Vaccine has not been fully researched

Except it has been fully researched.

There has been research ongoing for many years into coronaviruses and vaccines for these, including research into the common cold (also a coronavirus), there was also research into a SARS vaccine. When the pandemic hit, all of this prior research was able to be applied to the Covid-19 research so they weren't starting from scratch.

The development process for a vaccine usually goes like this:

Have idea for vaccine, apply for approval to look into viability > wait for approval > obtain approval, apply for funding > wait for funding > begin preliminary research, findings look promising, apply for approval to proceed to next stage > approval obtained > apply for funding > wait for funding > obtain funding > proceed to development stage, idea is viable > apply for approval to proceed to next stage > apply for funding > wait and repeat for years and years knowing that the whole thing could be shelved if any of the approval/funding stages are denied

As a result of a pandemic, the teams researching the vaccines were given more or less unlimited funding and were given permission to expedite the development stages by running each stage concurrently with the next stage. No development stages were skipped or skimped on. This is how quickly a vaccine can be developed when it has the right funding thrown at it and research is shared instead of hoarded.

RockinHorseShit · 09/11/2021 22:58

My 19 yo has had both of hers & will get her booster very soon

Tealightsandd · 09/11/2021 22:59

Hopefully the studies indicating that vaccination can help with Long Covid symptoms will turn out to be right. It's so sad to think of all those HCP (young and older) struggling unable to return to work or only managing part-time.

Finknottlesnewt · 09/11/2021 23:01

@Jammydodge2

I'm a frontline nurse, we have massive staffing issues already, will the goverment actually go ahead and sack 1000s of health care workers, dunno

I'm fully vaccinated, but I will stand with people that are not vaccinated, everyone has a choice

And what about the old or clinically extremely vulnerable patient who is ten times more likely to die from contracting Covid from your unvaccinated colleague. ? What about the patients human rights . Do they not have a right to life ? Especially if they too are unvaccinated due to medical issues. ?

I have been in hospital this week. (Impaired immune system) . I had to ask every health worker looking after me if they were vaccinated . From the guy who replenished the water to the consultant.. two weren't. One a doctor and one a nurse. I asked them not to treat me. To find someone else . They were both very arsey about it. ! Trying to tell me about their rights.

Sorry. I am the one trapped in the hospital. No options. You however can CHOOSE . Get vaccinated or get a different job.
Pretty terrifying actually. Don't want to be some hyper vigilant vaccine police.. but I am interested in keeping Alive and not being killed off by some selfish uninformed health care operative who should know better .

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amsadandconfused · 09/11/2021 23:05

@Jammydodge2..this is the point I was trying to make 😳

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Kitkat151 · 09/11/2021 23:05

@Jammydodge2

I'm a frontline nurse, we have massive staffing issues already, will the goverment actually go ahead and sack 1000s of health care workers, dunno

I'm fully vaccinated, but I will stand with people that are not vaccinated, everyone has a choice

You are right everyone has a choice....but that choice will now come with consequences....keep your job or lose it.....when you say that you will stand with people that are not vaccinated....do you mean you would go on strike with them? Or you would just say that you agree with them ..... one is very different from the other....I’m also a nurse.....I certainly won’t be ‘standing’ with anyone who isn’t vaccinated if affects my job.... although I will probably dontate to their leaving present and put all the ‘right’ words in their leaving card.
SickAndTiredAgain · 09/11/2021 23:10

@Jammydodge2

I'm a frontline nurse, we have massive staffing issues already, will the goverment actually go ahead and sack 1000s of health care workers, dunno

I'm fully vaccinated, but I will stand with people that are not vaccinated, everyone has a choice

The bbc news report says 103,000 unvaccinated NHS workers, although I’m not clear on whether that number includes people not required to get it (those with no face to face contact with patients)? Either way, with the NHS staffing as it is, they must be pretty confident people will take it, will they really sack tens of thousands of NHS staff overnight? If a decent number don’t get it, Javid has rather backed himself into a corner.
Girliefriendlikespuppies · 09/11/2021 23:10

I work in the NHS and am vaccinated but I honestly think this will be a disaster, the NHS can not lose any more staff - we're on our knees!!

I think there will be a higher risk to patients because of a lack of staff than the risk of catching CV.

Between brexit and CV staffing within the care and health sector is at breaking point.

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amsadandconfused · 09/11/2021 23:10

@PurpleDaisies..exactly ! I am ok about the vaccine, but am very uncomfortable with the thought that young people are being pushed into a corner!

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milkysmum · 09/11/2021 23:11

I'm a 40 year old nurse- vaccinated. My 13 year old dd is also now vaccinated.

Hubs456 · 09/11/2021 23:13

I think everyone should be vaccinated. It doesn’t send a very responsible message if you work in the NHS, are encouraging patients to get vaccinated but arnt prepared to have the vaccine yourself??? There is loads of data on safety, I’m pretty sure infertility isn’t listed on any of the vaccines side effects. The majority of the components in it are the same that are in other vaccines. It’s not nice to have the choice removed from you, but this is a pandemic. If you arnt game, then I suppose you do have the choice to another sector of work, or a more administrative role.