Mandatory vaccination

[amsadandconfused]

So I am not anti vac and have had my two doses and booster booked for next week. I do genuinely understand why a lot of my work colleagues are reluctant..Drs ,nurses ,carers etc . They are young people in their 20s/30s who are scared about the long term side effects ie infertility,blood disorders ..it’s very easy for people who are not in a job involving health care to be so critical of these lovely people .
Yes hepatitis B jab is mandatory for some but the hep jab has had many years of trials.
Can I ask everyone reading my post if you would be 100% happy if their 20 something children had this vaccine?

@amsadandconfused I am 20 something. I had the covid jab. Also in good health and normal BMI. I cannot wait for my booster. My 23 year and 26 year old SIL have both had their jabs too as well as my 24 year old sister.

I would be really worried about being treated by anyone who works for the NHS who hasn't had the jab - not just due to the risks of them having Covid but also because I would question their judgement and ability to analyse complex data. If they can't do that adequately, they probably aren't bright enough to be responsible for another humans care.

My thought too.

Good on you @Finknottlesnewt !

I’d like to see more data on what extra risk those who aren’t vaccinated have on others. In the meantime I don’t blame people being concerned to be treated by those who aren’t.

I’m in my 20s and my mum was checking in daily as soon as I became eligible to see if I’d booked it. She was so relieved when I had both doses, and that was with me being pregnant.

I'm sorry @Finknottlesnewt

At such a vulnerable time - being unwell and in hospital, you should be able to trust that you are in safe and caring hands. Patients (and their loved ones) should be able to feel confident that those charged with looking after them are doing all they can to keep them safe.

I hope you're well enough to go home soon, and I hope too that the rest of the staff around you show you the care and understanding you deserve. Regardless of the argument for or against mandatory vaccination, there's no place for arsey attitudes towards frightened and vulnerable patients who are concerned about staff vaccination status.

Hospitals have a duty of care to their vulnerable patients.

How hard is it to comprehend? My ds (15) said he’d not want his relatives in a place with unvaccinated people

Why would people who get their ‘facts’ from tik tok expect to have some kind of authority? do the proper fact checking, or go get another job

YES. My 20-year old has had both his shots.
15-year-old is starting hers next month.
Not worried about their reproduction as much as their life span.

I believe in choice. No one should be forced to do something they are not comfortable with.

@Narutocrazyfox

One of mine is early teens, so not 20s as OP specified. But two of my nephews are 18 and 19 and I know they won't be having it either.

Until they want to go to Ibiza with their friends.

I'd be happy for my pre-teens to have the vaccine were it approved for use for their age range. This has to be one of the most widely given vaccines in the history of mankind, I do understand the very first people being hesitant to have it, but more than 7 billion doses have now been given, that's a pretty sturdy sample size.

And what about the old or clinically extremely vulnerable patient who is ten times more likely to die from contracting Covid from your unvaccinated colleague. ? What about the patients human rights . Do they not have a right to life ? Especially if they too are unvaccinated due to medical issues

I have raised a doctor and 2 nurses. All my DC are vaccinated. My elderly mother needs an urgent operation for cancer. She has to prove she is double vaccinated and tested negative before she has a chance of being admitted for her lifesaving operation (and there is no guarantee there will be a bed for her on the date ). She has to prove that she is not a covid risk to anyone. Why shouldn’t she be given the same reassurance?

You'd think people working in front line healthcare would be gagging to get vaccinated, given their heightened risk of exposure and of themselves exposing a vulnerable person? They're the last people I'd expect to be anti vaxxers.

And a year ago, I'd have said yes, make it compulsory. However, given what we now know about waning protection (in terms of protecting against getting infected), then it does look slightly less critical. The AZ vaccine drops to 45% protection after 6 months, and it remains to be seen how long 3rd/booster doses provide protection for.

@userxx I agree choice is vital but the general public didn't have a choice but to lock down and not see locked ones to protect the NHS. It's now the turn of the NHS to protect the general public.

[quote onlychildhamster]@amsadandconfused I am 20 something. I had the covid jab. Also in good health and normal BMI. I cannot wait for my booster. My 23 year and 26 year old SIL have both had their jabs too as well as my 24 year old sister.[/quote]
That is absolutely great that you are ok with the vaccine….my children are all ok with the vaccine but there are many people who are not and they need to be convinced and reassured that this vaccine will not backfire in 10 years time!

My 20 something child is a nurse and has chosen not to be vaccinated. We're in Scotland so not yet mandatory but when it happens and it will, I'll fully support her decision to leave.

@RosesAndHellebores I suspect there are many NHS workers who didnt agree with the lockdowns. They are not all one homogenous mass you know.

@userxx

I believe in choice. No one should be forced to do something they are not comfortable with.

Exactly.

Health (and care) chiefs should not be forced to employ unvaccinated staff if they are uncomfortable with doing so.
Patients should not be exposed to unvaccinated staff if they are uncomfortable with doing so.

Both my 20-somethings have had it.

I am just concerned that the Covid Vaccine has not been fully researched

Yes it has been fully researched.

Yes, perfectly happy and very grateful my 15 year old has had one dose, 25 both doses and 33 both doses. Do you have any medical evidence this vaccine will affect fertility? I have not heard of any.

I would be really worried about being treated by anyone who works for the NHS who hasn't had the jab - not just due to the risks of them having Covid but also because I would question their judgement and ability to analyse complex data. If they can't do that adequately, they probably aren't bright enough to be responsible for another humans care.

Urgh. What a hideous statement. Let’s hope the professionally qualified staff don’t stop what they’re doing to make a judgement on you, if you ever find yourself requiring emergency care.

All NHS staff should have the NHS vaccine. They have a choice - get the vaccine or look for a new job

NHS staff have a choice get the jab to protect patients and colleagues or find a job where you won't be responsible for caring for vulnerable and sick patients. The vulnerable and sick patients don't get a choice. If they are I'll enough they have to go to hospital. They go to get treatment and care and to get better, not infected by NHS staff who clearly don't prioritise patient care.

And your thoughts on unvaccinated patients who require care for anything other than covid? Will the vaccinated NHS staff turn them away?

I completely get the rationale for asking NHS staff to be vaccinated. But I believe the right to medical autonomy is too important to throw away. I don’t expect them to get vaccinated to protect me. I get my own vaccine to protect me.

@amsadandconfused do you believe that the effects of having Covid itself while unvaccinated are more well-researched? Long-term effects? Compared to the vaccine? I am not looking for an argument but it is a viewpoint I don’t understand.