Vaccines to be compulsory for front line medical staff

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59215282

The covid vaccine, but not the flu vaccine. Although, I suppose the door has been opened for that one now too. They’re being given until spring. I wonder if there will be a massive walk out before winter. If you thought you were going to lose your job come spring, why would you work your ass off all winter? This could majorly backfire.

There's so many in the NHS that are desperate to leave already. They're burned out.

Where I work there's loads of people that culturally question these vaccines. I don't know if it's religion or what. But I do know there's loads of people that are strongly against being vaccinated.

If it becomes mandatory to vaccine education staff - they'll be gone in a flash. It's easy to find work that's similarly paid elsewhere - especially at the moment.

@Youneverknowwhatyourgonnaget

Fluffycloudland77 You do realise the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission don’t you so I would rather my baby have a caring nhs worker there to care full stop rather than not receiving the care because of a staff shortage. We cannot eliminate risk but to get rid of workers when the nhs is already understaffed is insane and dangerous!

It doesn't reduce transmission completely but it significantly reduce the risk. I wish people would stop claiming it doesn't.

www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/

So does previously being infected, and being regularly tested…

Full ppe, testing 4 times a week which is 3 lft tests and 1 pcr. Temperature taken 3 times a day and sanitising everything many times a day. We're not allowed to eat near the residents and have to stay 2 meters appart and mandatory covid vaccines. All this for minimum wage.

@Lostinacloud

I am in France. 150,000 healthcare workers were sacked from their jobs due to the vaccine mandate. Last week I took my DS to a central Paris hospital for an appointment and it was running 2 1/2 hours late due to shortage of staff. Coincidence or not? Who knows? There are bigger fish to fry here though because vaccination is already all but mandatory for everyone over 12 due to barely being able to access any normal life without a covid passport. Then today Macron re-appeared after an absence of nearly 5 months and told everyone over 65 that their covid passport will be cancelled if they don’t get the booster within the next 4 weeks. Boosters open to over 50’s in December so I can guess what’s coming next…

Everyday I wake up and feel amazed that so many people still seem so contented with all of this loss of freedom and choice no matter what the promised government safety.

The hepatitis vaccine has been around for nearly 40 years and much is understood about contraindications and it’s effectiveness. It went through standard trial procedure and is based on traditional manufacture of vaccines. The same cannot be said about the covid vaccines, already recording over 17,000 deaths in the US.

Your '17,000 deaths from covid vaccine in US' is simply misinformation. It is wrong on many levels.

UK nurses are just experiencing what we nurses have had happen to us on 30th here in NSW.
People can abuse me and call be an idiot all you like but I am a nurse and I didn’t comply. I have been stood down with out pay and will be terminated on 30/12.
The hospitals are now treating vaccine related injuries instead of Covid.
Tell me, I’m wrong, tell me I’m an idiot but this vaccine should be a choice.
Our regional town is 95% vaccinated and now we have an outbreak of 170 cases.
You can still get it, you can still transmit it.
Eventually I will get my job back because this life is unsustainable.
Every job is mandated in Australia except GP’s , Politicians and Australia Post.
What does that tell you?!?

I am a nurse and I didn’t comply. I have been stood down with out pay

Them's the breaks, I guess. You could use some of your time now to actually learn about this virus, about how the vaccines were developed, and get some actual factual sources about the risks of vaccination versus the risks of infection, etc etc. Starting with a chat with your GP. I very much doubt you will be reinstated so long as this pandemic is a problem for the world. Vulnerable patients in your care should not be placed at risk because you believe in your right to have 'a choice'. You have made your choice, and now you are stood down.

Expected response. I don’t care what you think. I’m not upset about being stood down. I’m talking about the mandates around it.
Also you know people often have an opinion and until they actually relate to and affect your own situation, people don’t care.
That is the whole point.

And as for the patronising have a chat to my GP, she said she wouldn’t have it either. But that’s ok because she must be uneducated too.

Talk to your GP was an 'expected response' that has offended you? Your post makes no sense.

Your '17,000 deaths from covid vaccine in US' is simply misinformation. It is wrong on many levels.

Maybe they died within 28 days of having the vaccine

Perhaps the unvaccinated should just identify as vaccinated then they can access the same spaces as vaccinated personnel? Problem solved

@Sarahschild

And as for the patronising have a chat to my GP, she said she wouldn’t have it either. But that’s ok because she must be uneducated too.

Is that so? Well, birds of a feather flock together.

I found it helpful to talk through my fears around the vaccine with my GP.

Every now and then I go on Mumsnet and read a few threads and occasionally post on a few.
There seems to be a coldness towards people who do not agree with others. And then others pile on and put in their sarcastic comments too. I’ll await others.
This is not about vaccines this is about controlling, coercing and blackmailing behaviour from the Australian government to its citizens. Are you in Aus?

I would say, if you have lost your job because you are refusing to comply with health orders around vaccines, then it is about vaccines.

Yes, I am in Australia.

Ok. Well if you are comfortable to sit under a government that treats it’s people this way, then that surprises me.
I wish you well.

Agree with your comments about frontline. I would like all staff to be treated the same. Even if you can avoid direct contact with patients in a hospital you can’t necessarily avoid contact with frontline staff.

I worked in the hospital path lab and never had contact with any frontline staff or patients, lab was completely separate building.

@Sarahschild

UK nurses are just experiencing what we nurses have had happen to us on 30th here in NSW. People can abuse me and call be an idiot all you like but I am a nurse and I didn’t comply. I have been stood down with out pay and will be terminated on 30/12. The hospitals are now treating vaccine related injuries instead of Covid. Tell me, I’m wrong, tell me I’m an idiot but this vaccine should be a choice. Our regional town is 95% vaccinated and now we have an outbreak of 170 cases. You can still get it, you can still transmit it. Eventually I will get my job back because this life is unsustainable. Every job is mandated in Australia except GP’s , Politicians and Australia Post. What does that tell you?!?

There is also so much disinformation in this its hard to know where to start. Hospitals are still treating Covid, not vaccine injury. You say yourself there is an outbreak of 170 cases just in your regional town. Now, as for the vaccination mandate, you have that somewhat sideways. The states have all different requirements, but in general, healthcare staff - including GPS - will have the Covid vaccination mandated. In depends on individual organisations what they decide - for example, my DH's large multi-national company has decided to mandate them. In Victoria, politicians do; I'm not sure about elsewhere. In short, though, it depends on the job and the organisation.

@Sarahschild

And as for the patronising have a chat to my GP, she said she wouldn’t have it either. But that’s ok because she must be uneducated too.

Nah. Didn't happen. If it did, change GPs.

It would be better to just test all staff and patients daily.

@Dishhh granted the “official” death count conceded by the CDC is closer to 9000 but I have seen plenty of reports stating that the CDC constantly removes VAERS reports and it’s closer to 17,000. The thing is, the Swine flu vaccine was cancelled after 57 deaths so why are these ones still running?

And it’s not just deaths. There are so many side effects, even mild, that we don’t know the long term outcomes for.
Personally my periods have still not gone back to normal and I have been regular without deviation for over 30 years. Even when I caught natural symptomatic covid last year my periods weren’t affected! I also got an extremely odd bruise like mark the day after my vaccine which remained without changing colour like a normal bruise for 3 weeks. I do not want or need any booster (I didn’t even want the one dose I felt forced to get just so I could continue taking my children to dentist and doctor appointments and get an occasional coffee with friends due to the ridiculous covid passport here). But no doubt I will feel forced once more when my passport is expired and that is so wrong and against every last law put into place after the tragedies of the Second World War. We are just about to hold Remembrance Day, time for some people to remember that so many died for the freedom we are all now giving away!
Nobody should lose their right to work or take part in society owing to their vaccination status. We rightly don’t accept discrimination based on race, sexual orientation, religion or sex so why should we accept it based on medical choice?

I think this is a good idea. Get everyone vaccinated who works on the frontline with the clinically vulnerable. It’s not the testing which is stopping deaths, it’s the vaccine.

LFT testing misses a big percentage of positive cases

[quote Lostinacloud]@Dishhh granted the “official” death count conceded by the CDC is closer to 9000 but I have seen plenty of reports stating that the CDC constantly removes VAERS reports and it’s closer to 17,000. The thing is, the Swine flu vaccine was cancelled after 57 deaths so why are these ones still running?

And it’s not just deaths. There are so many side effects, even mild, that we don’t know the long term outcomes for.
Personally my periods have still not gone back to normal and I have been regular without deviation for over 30 years. Even when I caught natural symptomatic covid last year my periods weren’t affected! I also got an extremely odd bruise like mark the day after my vaccine which remained without changing colour like a normal bruise for 3 weeks. I do not want or need any booster (I didn’t even want the one dose I felt forced to get just so I could continue taking my children to dentist and doctor appointments and get an occasional coffee with friends due to the ridiculous covid passport here). But no doubt I will feel forced once more when my passport is expired and that is so wrong and against every last law put into place after the tragedies of the Second World War. We are just about to hold Remembrance Day, time for some people to remember that so many died for the freedom we are all now giving away!
Nobody should lose their right to work or take part in society owing to their vaccination status. We rightly don’t accept discrimination based on race, sexual orientation, religion or sex so why should we accept it based on medical choice?[/quote]

The 17,000 quoted here has been debunked. Several times. It also comes from VAERS, and that really should give you at least some pause where you consider if that ridiculously high number is actually real. (It isn't.)

As for the rest of your post, you've posted so much questionable material of the last year or so that when I see you're now claiming vaccine reactions/injuries, it's difficult to believe that. I think you'd say anything to support your own position - and that's fine, but be honest about it.

We don't accept discrimination based on race, religion, sexual orientation and sex because being a black lesbian Hindu is not infectious and does not send a vulnerable person into the ICU.