Vaccines to be compulsory for front line medical staff

[bumbleymummy]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59215282

The covid vaccine, but not the flu vaccine. Although, I suppose the door has been opened for that one now too. They’re being given until spring. I wonder if there will be a massive walk out before winter. If you thought you were going to lose your job come spring, why would you work your ass off all winter? This could majorly backfire.

@PAFMO perhaps, but whilst people spend pages showing off their excellent googling skills nobody addresses the very real staffing crisis heading our way 🤷🏻‍♀️

[quote lemmein]@PAFMO perhaps, but whilst people spend pages showing off their excellent googling skills nobody addresses the very real staffing crisis heading our way 🤷🏻‍♀️[/quote]
I know. And that's what makes people starting threads seemingly in support of the NHS even more despicable, when you know it's just another anti-vax thread really.
And I apologise for also taking part in the derailing. But the lies peddled on MN are not only unpleasant, but could actually be dangerous. And it's been going on for years. And not just about Covid.

I agree @lemmein, it’s easy to get sidetracked.

As has been pointed out, you’re not a risk to your patients if you’re not infected. So regular staff testing would make more sense irt keeping patients safe.

@bumbleymummy

www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

“ Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.”

That's the same study I linked to earlier but in a different publication.

@bumbleymummy

I don't accept it at all - I'm just commenting on how it is.

The government wants to run down the NHS so it can usher in privatisation. This is just one of many ways they've gone about doing that. And it's particularly ingenious on their part as it's got us fighting amongst ourselves instead of against them.

I think NHS staff should have the jab and I despair at all the anti-vax stuff but don't think sacking them for not having it is the right approach.

@PAFMO I think it’s very clear that this is not an antivaxx thread. You can take your silly accusations elsewhere.

And for the avoidance of doubt - vaccines are amazing and have saved millions of lives! :)

@lemmein

I don't believe for a second this will go ahead, however I think the government may find kicking the can down the road bites them on the arse. How many people will leave before the inevitable u-turn?

If it wasn't going to be so catastrophic for the health service I'd take complete satisfaction watching this government (and those that support them) realise, over the next few months, what a huge self-harming fuck up this mandate is.

There will definitely not be a u turn on this. Those who are in two minds will have it. Those who cant have it for medical reasons wont be forced to have it. That just leaves the bloody minded or hard of thinking. They can walk if they want and are not the sort of people the nhs wants to employ anyway, so everyone's a winner. In our department out of 100 people everyone has had it. The refusers I come across are in the main lower banded people, hcas, facilities, etc. Not in the positions that are hard to recruit to.

*That doesn’t mean they should be mandatory or that people should lose their jobs/not be able to enter certain venues if they haven’t had them.

@MrsPsmalls I suppose there’s also the possibility that vaccinated people will stand up against the idea of a mandate because it opens the door for other mandates that they may not be too happy about in the future.

This smacks of run the NHS down further so we can privatise it.

I sincerely hope everyone visiting a hospital has to be vaccinated like care homes do. It's about the building / service and who enters it, not just the staff working.

I just heard on the news that the impact report states potential 75000 loss of NHS employees.

I can't wait to see HR deal with this

No way on this planet can the NHS afford the time or money to go through lengthy dismissal processes and then appeals for thousands of people.

@Dsisproblem

I don't agree with mandatory vaccinations, I think we should work with people to understand why they don't want a vaccine and try to help them overcome the issues if they've been misinformed etc.

BUT I do think 90% of those saying they'll quit wont. What will they do? They can't work in care homes, they can't work in asthetics etc as someone suggested because those people will need to be vaccinated too! And yes NHS pay isn't amazing, but the pension, mat leave etc is.

My friend is doing aesthetics - self employed. I can tell you now, her very broad client base don’t give a monkeys if she’s vaccinated or not. She’s not. Also making a lot more money than she was as an agency nurse who got plenty of shifts.

My friend is doing aesthetics - self employed. I can tell you now, her very broad client base don’t give a monkeys if she’s vaccinated or not. She’s not. Also making a lot more money than she was as an agency nurse who got plenty of shifts.

Really? Good luck with that. I wouldn’t go near her let alone receive treatment from such a charlatan

@sulee

My friend is doing aesthetics - self employed. I can tell you now, her very broad client base don’t give a monkeys if she’s vaccinated or not. She’s not. Also making a lot more money than she was as an agency nurse who got plenty of shifts.

Really? Good luck with that. I wouldn’t go near her let alone receive treatment from such a charlatan

Why is she a charlatan? And how would you even know if she was vaccinated?

@sulee

My friend is doing aesthetics - self employed. I can tell you now, her very broad client base don’t give a monkeys if she’s vaccinated or not. She’s not. Also making a lot more money than she was as an agency nurse who got plenty of shifts.

Really? Good luck with that. I wouldn’t go near her let alone receive treatment from such a charlatan

Well it’s a good job she doesn’t need your custom.

You’ve also misused the world charlatan. She’s fully qualified, with all the correct legal requirements to practice.

Aesthetics? Anaesthetics? I'm not sure what your friend does?

At an ethical level if vaccination and boosters ends up with a population that has a risk from covid on par with good old flu then if we don't mandate flu vaccinations (though strongly encourage) for health care workers the neither should we mandate covid jabs. I write as one who is strongly pro-vaxx and couldn't wait to get the stuff into me and will be getting my booster exactly 6 months after my last AZ.

@Cookerhood

Aesthetics? Anaesthetics? I'm not sure what your friend does?

Botox, fillers etc presumably

@Cookerhood

Aesthetics? Anaesthetics? I'm not sure what your friend does?

aesthetics as in Botox, fillers, fat dissolving etc.

NRFT but I don't think mandatory vaccines are the way to go. It is the thin end of the wedge tbh. Who should decide what medical treatments and interventions a person has - certainly not the government. Frankly it's an appalling loss of human rights and bodily autonomy. I can't believe people are relaxed about this just because it's Covid. Once precedent is set all sorts of potential things can become mandatory, and not just for adults, for children too

[quote lemmein]@PAFMO perhaps, but whilst people spend pages showing off their excellent googling skills nobody addresses the very real staffing crisis heading our way 🤷🏻‍♀️[/quote]
Anybody would think this Tory Government are trying to run the NHS into the ground. Oh wait...

Already difficult to recruit to care work, this will make it harder. I don't think a lot of the posters have any insight on what front line care workers put up with on a daily basis and how hard many of the jobs actually are, and how badly paid they are relatively speaking. I do (and know for a fact that there are much better paid, less stressful jobs out there)

I think bank staff will be a big issue. They don't get any of the benefits, and yes the pay is better but a lot of trusts are heavily reliant on bank staff and if they choose not to be vaccinated it could be very troublesome.

It’s disgusting! I am not anti vax I have had mine but there is a risk from these vaccine so where there is risk there should be choice! Obviously the older you are the easier the decision because your risk from covid is greater but if you have a young man early 20’s who’s probably had Covid already his risk would be higher from the vaccine than catching Covid again. Why can’t they do antibody tests to see if people even need it? It’s all wrong and it’s too new to start mandating when we have no long term data