Are we locking down again?

[Dancerinthedark01]

And if so will they do more of the furlough and shutting things down?

Schools?

Please No!

I’m reading that this might be happening.

No if only for the reason that we can't afford to - although there is no medical reason for doing so either. Sorry to disappoint the many MN users who'd like to lock us down until at least 2030....

No, we don't think it's over. We don't have our heads in the sand. We just know that life is for living.

I am just loving living life in a school at the moment....

Especially as it prevents me doing the other things I want to do with my life - see my elderly relatives without posing an unacceptable risk to them (erm, no, not with a rate that suggests I have multiple positive cases in my class all day, every day), for example....

I don't think we will have a full lockdown. Not because it isn't needed, but because the govt aren't prepared to admit they might have made (another) mistake. I don't want to see home schooling again. It was brutal, even for those of us whose schools came up with a good and workable solution. I strongly hope we have a compulsory masks in public mandate plus better rollout of vaccine to children including primary school children - and second jabs for younger teens.

And no more mass gatherings for those who are unvaccinated. In fact, I'd be OK with no more mass gatherings at all. I'm not salivating at the prospect of this. My husband's job depends on large indoor gatherings and we had 18 months of him having no income (normally he supplies 90% of our family money). It's been really really really difficult. We have only just made it through the other side. But if that is what it takes for people not to die we will do it.

I know it's hard but what else can we do? We can't just keep wilfully infecting people. Other countries who are implementing mask mandates etc are not experiencing the problems that we are.

We have to learn to live with it and accept that disease kills. We cannot afford more furlough or another lock down.

We should put in place as many mitigations as we can without locking down.

but lots of us are doing that anyway.

And whether you like it or not, many people are very tired and have stopped caring. They're tired of being panicked by yo-yo predictions in the media. They're tired of being scared their lives might slam shut again

Yes, they don't care. Thats it, in a nutshell. They don't care about the NHS, the staff, the vulnerable in our society, palliative care, public services being able to function and the staff. They don't give a f*ck about any of it, as long as they're alright nowt else matters

I don't think there will actually be a full lockdown, although I think we are going to have a difficult winter and some restrictions are likely to be back.

I think masks and WFH guidance are likely to be back quite soon.

And (I hope) some improved measures in schools too because the situation at the moment is unsustainable.
Anyone who doesn't want a lockdown, get the masks back out, if you get symptoms stay at home and get a PCR, and start doing lateral flow tests twice a week if you don't have symptoms. We need to try our best not to catch or spread it. If everyone was doing that, we would probably be able to suppress it at reasonable levels and not have to worry about additional measures coming in.

@HesterShaw1

And whether you like it or not, many people are very tired and have stopped caring. They're tired of being panicked by yo-yo predictions in the media. They're tired of being scared their lives might slam shut again.

That’s the problem. Our complacency and ignorance is our Achilles heel.

Wanting it to be over and it actually being over are two very different scenarios whether we like it or not. The threat to us all long term if we fail to address this recurring problem is immense. Pretending everything is just fine will do us no favours and only exacerbate our predicament more.

There are whispers in certain schooling and medical networks that they're preparing for another lockdown but there are others who are saying the opposite.
The current trajectory isn't sustainable. The numbers are too high and nothing is bringing them down. If there isn't another lockdown, how do people think the numbers will reduce? Or do they think the UK can just continue to let Covid run out of control?

There's not going to be another lockdown, not like there have been before. Before we were locking down until we had invented a vaccine. We all (well, most) waited patiently and once that was done we had lockdowns while we waited for the majority to get vaccinated. People didn't mind waiting and complying as there was an end goal. Now most of us have been vaccinated. Double vaccinated at that. And people are STILL getting COVID. Where and what is the end goal now?

I've done everything right. I've done exactly as the government has asked, all along. I've hardly gone anywhere socially, haven't travelled abroad etc, but I work in a school and have teenagers at school so hard to avoid general day to day spread that way. DH are double vaxxed, 17 year old has had his first one, 15 year old has consent for his first one. STILL DH and I both got COVID a few weeks ago.

I know full well that vaccination was never going to stop people getting COVID altogether, but when there are so many double vaxxed people getting it, I think it would be a DISASTER to try and put another lockdown in place. Because this time, what exactly would be waiting for? It's not going away. What they SHOULD be focussing on is funding the NHS properly. PROPERLY.

Sorry, too many CAPS but it all pisses me off, the misdirected energy.

@cantkeepawayforever

No, we don't think it's over. We don't have our heads in the sand. We just know that life is for living.

I am just loving living life in a school at the moment....

Especially as it prevents me doing the other things I want to do with my life - see my elderly relatives without posing an unacceptable risk to them (erm, no, not with a rate that suggests I have multiple positive cases in my class all day, every day), for example....

Well we don't all work in a school do we?

Not only are people tired of the flip flop messages and the threat that everything will close again, they're also sick of being guilt tripped because they don't work in a school/hospital, and some other people do.

I'm sorry you feel you can't see your elderly relatives. But it shouldn't stop me seeing my elderly relatives if we don't feel the same

@CurlyhairedAssassin

There's not going to be another lockdown, not like there have been before. Before we were locking down until we had invented a vaccine. We all (well, most) waited patiently and once that was done we had lockdowns while we waited for the majority to get vaccinated. People didn't mind waiting and complying as there was an end goal. Now most of us have been vaccinated. Double vaccinated at that. And people are STILL getting COVID. Where and what is the end goal now?

I've done everything right. I've done exactly as the government has asked, all along. I've hardly gone anywhere socially, haven't travelled abroad etc, but I work in a school and have teenagers at school so hard to avoid general day to day spread that way. DH are double vaxxed, 17 year old has had his first one, 15 year old has consent for his first one. STILL DH and I both got COVID a few weeks ago.

I know full well that vaccination was never going to stop people getting COVID altogether, but when there are so many double vaxxed people getting it, I think it would be a DISASTER to try and put another lockdown in place. Because this time, what exactly would be waiting for? It's not going away. What they SHOULD be focussing on is funding the NHS properly. PROPERLY.

Sorry, too many CAPS but it all pisses me off, the misdirected energy.

Absolutely this 👏

Cases have been rising here since the schools went back. We have the third highest since Coronavirus numbers have been published.

My son is recovering from it. He had had both vaccines. Two lft negative, symptoms like a bad cold and short of breath. He is an asthmatic. Luckily the GP rang him back very quickly, sent a prescription for antibiotics and steroids and said he ought to have a PCR. It came back next morning positive. I know someone else in hospital at the moment. Double vaccinated. We had a friend die.
I don’t know what the answer is but things are getting worse here. Perhaps they will be like Australia where lockdowns are in certain areas and towns.

@Flaxmeadow

And whether you like it or not, many people are very tired and have stopped caring. They're tired of being panicked by yo-yo predictions in the media. They're tired of being scared their lives might slam shut again

Yes, they don't care. Thats it, in a nutshell. They don't care about the NHS, the staff, the vulnerable in our society, palliative care, public services being able to function and the staff. They don't give a f*ck about any of it, as long as they're alright nowt else matters

Yes they're terribly selfish for caring more about themselves and their families than strangers, after 18 months of being shat on.

It's as simple as that, you're right 🙄

So tired of this moralising bullshit

CurlyhairedAssassin

Before we were locking down until we had invented a vaccine

But did anyone in science or government, say this? Or promise this? Did they say it was the end of covid19, that it was like a measles or polio vaccine, giving lifelong protection? Because I don't recall it

The problem is, people only read what they want to believe and disregard the rest. Nobody, govt or science EVER said this was going to be easy

Just coming on here to say I’m wearing my mask in all shops, and at work. Flu is on the up (like every normal year) and I don’t want norovirus either so I’ve decided to keep washing my hands. I know, weird eh? But you’d be amazed at how many people at work think they don’t need to hand wash anymore. NHS!
There won’t be a lockdown because the country is close to bankruptcy (or the equivalent, super high taxes and reduced benefits) which the government, however incompetent, don’t want.
Hands space face everyone!

I don’t think there has been talk about another lockdown from CMO etc

So ‘rolling lockdowns’ we had this, it doesn’t mean this winter necessarily

I can’t understand why mask wearing was made optional or why covid passports weren’t brought in. Germany still has medical grade masks compulsory in shops, on public transport and you have to show a pass to get into places. There daily figures are very low now as are hospitalisation and deaths. If our government had the bottle to do likewise we would stand a better chance. I hope no more lockdowns are coming but over 45,000 new cases daily and deaths in the 100s mean we are in big trouble. The fact that there’s not even the will to make the public aware of the change in covid symptoms in the fully vaccinated isn’t helping as there are no doubt thousands of people infected who don’t realise because they don’t have a cough, fever or loss of taste/smell.

@CurlyhairedAssassin In order for the vaccination campaign to be a success we needed to have a high uptake. Convincing the perfectly healthy (who would probably be fine if they caught Covid but could still pass it on) to have the vaccine was based on the idea that it would open us back up to the world and allow normality to return. We have more or less opened back up and a form of normality has sort of returned, but with it so has the Covid cases.

The government blurred the lines of reality with the messaging around the vaccines to ensure more people took them. It was always a gamble of sorts to see what the true impact would be if any at all, on the progression of the virus and how it affected society long term.

Yes the vaccines reduce risk of severe illness but they haven’t quite ushered in the return to 2019 as safely as we had hoped and that is what we must grapple with now.

Vaccination alone is not enough.

@Livelovebehappy

The NHS won’t be swamped if people get vaccinated. The people who need to be hospitalised are those that aren’t getting vaccinated. So I know who i will be blaming if we go back into lockdown, and it won’t be the government this time.

Most people are vaccinated. The government wants you to blame your fellow citizens, as opposed to them.

My bet is on January.

@Itisasecret

My bet is on January.

And how do you bet it will be paid for?

Yes they're terribly selfish for caring more about themselves and their families than strangers, after 18 months of being shat on.

I didnt say they were selfish. I said they didn't care. Or rather, they won't care until it all collapses. Then they will care, they will care a lot but by then it's too late

What do people think when repeated public health announcements say 'save the NHS'? Do they think it's a joke or maybe another episode of Casualty or Call the Midwife and that isn't a real plea? That a collapse of services couldn't possibly happen?

Via the economy, the young ones who have paid a fortune to go to uni. All because we insist on sleepwalking into a disaster without any mitigation.

Annoying right?

So many people have it now in schools that there won't be many left who haven't had it by Christmas.

Children gradually slowly getting vaccinated and booster programme started.

A health expert said he was more worried about flu deaths this winter than covid deaths since we haven't been mixing much which is not good for the immune system