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Are we locking down again?

662 replies

Dancerinthedark01 · 19/10/2021 21:37

And if so will they do more of the furlough and shutting things down?

Schools?

Please No!

I’m reading that this might be happening.

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BlueberrySugar · 19/10/2021 23:09

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

Nope and if they try it again who is going to go along with it again?
Not me 🙋🏻‍♀️
cantkeepawayforever · 19/10/2021 23:09

Hester, I am really glad that you have a job where your risk can be kept low enough for you to be able to see frail elderly relatives - or maybe just your relatives are less frail or less elderly.

I am glad that you are enjoying living the life that you are able to have at the moment.

I completely appreciate that this gives you a perspective on the current pandemic situation that is different from mine, in the same way that I appreciate that the perspective of someone who is CEV or who is in the NHS will also be different from mine.

None of the perspectives are invalid just because they are different.

onlychildhamster · 19/10/2021 23:10

we don't need a lockdown, we just need people to wear masks indoors and on public transport, vaccine passes to get into places like in Germany. that would help reduce cases massively.

the winter plan said nothing of lockdown, but was about masks, wfh and vaccine passes.

Happymum12345 · 19/10/2021 23:11

Virtually all the teachers have covid at my ds primary school. Half term is a firebreak.

cantkeepawayforever · 19/10/2021 23:13

@onlychildhamster

we don't need a lockdown, we just need people to wear masks indoors and on public transport, vaccine passes to get into places like in Germany. that would help reduce cases massively.

the winter plan said nothing of lockdown, but was about masks, wfh and vaccine passes.

Exactly this. The messagong presents a false dichotomy of ‘freedom’ vs ‘lockdown’. On the same way as we don’t have genuine freedom now, due to the huge infection rate, the other option isn’t lockdown. There are a whole raft if sensible mitigations in between - as our European partners are ably demonstrating with their significantly lower rates...
Warhertisuff · 19/10/2021 23:16

@Howshouldibehave

It’s causing havoc in our local schools at the moment and heads are saying their supply budgets for the year are gone already-not that there is any supply to be found, to be honest.

The key phrase here is "at the moment". Once the wave has passed over the school it will largely to back to normal. Taking measures now in response to the situation in your local schools is like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, run off to next farm, over the hill and across the river.

Warhertisuff · 19/10/2021 23:18

@Happymum12345

Virtually all the teachers have covid at my ds primary school. Half term is a firebreak.
And the school will then be back to normal...
HesterShaw1 · 19/10/2021 23:18

@cantkeepawayforever

Hester, I am really glad that you have a job where your risk can be kept low enough for you to be able to see frail elderly relatives - or maybe just your relatives are less frail or less elderly.

I am glad that you are enjoying living the life that you are able to have at the moment.

I completely appreciate that this gives you a perspective on the current pandemic situation that is different from mine, in the same way that I appreciate that the perspective of someone who is CEV or who is in the NHS will also be different from mine.

None of the perspectives are invalid just because they are different.

I think you misunderstood my situation.

But I agree no one's perspective is invalid, including those who want to continue to see older family members, because they might be the only close family they have and both parties live alone. Lockdowns were no picnic for anyone and they were a unique and awful challenge for those living alone.

I used to teach. I don't think my perspective would be different if I still did.

Warhertisuff · 19/10/2021 23:20

@Soggychip

I can’t understand why mask wearing was made optional or why covid passports weren’t brought in. Germany still has medical grade masks compulsory in shops, on public transport and you have to show a pass to get into places.

And when does all this end in Germany? Never presumably... Covid won't just disappear...

wondersun · 19/10/2021 23:25

[quote Warhertisuff]@Howshouldibehave

It’s causing havoc in our local schools at the moment and heads are saying their supply budgets for the year are gone already-not that there is any supply to be found, to be honest.

The key phrase here is "at the moment". Once the wave has passed over the school it will largely to back to normal. Taking measures now in response to the situation in your local schools is like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, run off to next farm, over the hill and across the river.[/quote]
But only one in ten children are infected, and by the time they’re all infected, their natural immunity will be waning. Unsustainable. Again. Still no mitigations. Where is the anger? This is all deliberate.

Warhertisuff · 19/10/2021 23:26

@ElizaDarcysDeeds

There are whispers in certain schooling and medical networks that they're preparing for another lockdown but there are others who are saying the opposite. The current trajectory isn't sustainable. The numbers are too high and nothing is bringing them down. If there isn't another lockdown, how do people think the numbers will reduce? Or do they think the UK can just continue to let Covid run out of control?
Numbers will reduce when there are no longer enough people to infect.., Yes you can (and will) get it repeatedly but you're likely to be immune for a year.

Look at London - lowest rates in the country! Are they all super cautious? Of course not... They've just had more infections.

Look at Florida - massive delta wave in September (bigger than here proportionally). and now it's a fraction of what it was.

We just need to hold our nerve.

Lockheart · 19/10/2021 23:30

It's entirely possible there will be:

  • nothing at all
  • another lockdown
  • something in-between

No-one knows.

The situation is not as it was last year, because we have the vaccine now, but then we don't know what the situation will be in say 2 months' time.

Just be take it as it comes really and in the meantime be sensible, that's all we can do.

No-one knows.

Warhertisuff · 19/10/2021 23:35

@wondersun

But only one in ten children are infected, and by the time they’re all infected, their natural immunity will be waning. Unsustainable. Again. Still no mitigations. Where is the anger? This is all deliberate.

My understanding was that 1 in 10 had Covid over the past week alone! Immunity doesn't wane after ten weeks?!

Bizawit · 19/10/2021 23:37
  • Numbers will reduce when there are no longer enough people to infect.., Yes you can (and will) get it repeatedly but you're likely to be immune for a year.

Look at London - lowest rates in the country! Are they all super cautious? Of course not... They've just had more infections.

Look at Florida - massive delta wave in September (bigger than here proportionally). and now it's a fraction of what it was.

We just need to hold our nerve.*

100% this.

MercyBooth · 19/10/2021 23:40

Well if they close schools and non essential shops, you won’t have a choice in those things

Be a nation of scruffs Protect the NHS!!!!

GiantHaystacks2021 · 19/10/2021 23:40

Yes.

Warhertisuff · 19/10/2021 23:41

@wondersun

And also, it makes no sense whatsoever to, on one hand claim that infections in schools are happening so slowly over many, many months that by the time they're all infected, some will start to lose their immunity... and on the other claim it's all out of control!

MercyBooth · 19/10/2021 23:42

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/implement-plan-b-winter-measures-now-or-risk-nhs-crisis-johnson-warned

the NHS itself is now of the view that if we are to have universal free healthcare, the price we pay is that doctors may make it a crime to visit your mum if they get busy

What could go wrong?

Flaxmeadow · 19/10/2021 23:44

We just need to hold our nerve.

It's a bit of a gamble but I think there is probably some truth in this. Hopefully.

Worth a try ATM but how long the NHS can cope will be apparent soon.

RoseRedRoseBlue · 19/10/2021 23:48

@Itisasecret

My bet is on January.
I suspect you are right. There is no way people will wear it over Christmas. It would be easier in January as there are far fewer social events and gatherings, and money is often tight.
SequinsandStiIettos · 19/10/2021 23:48

Not sure but doubt it OP as hospitals appear to be managing?
They absolutely wanted it to run through schools and the community though.
I know of one class with 8 positives. My kid's class had 3 positives.
Where I work 4 off with covid.
Not everyone is lat testing and PHE's advice is for close contacts to do PCR but not everyone is.
I had a lad tell me yesterday he thought he had Covid before coughing in my face. My response was decidedly unimpressed.
Our local authority have now said masks to be worn in corridors but not mandatory in class or on the yard if not mixed.
Germany's rates are lower because masks are still mandatory everywhere and either proof of vaccs on entry to places or a negative lat test. We are the anomaly not implementing that - govt doing a U-turn on covid passports - for some brownnosing of anti-maskers shouting Freedom like they're fucking Braveheart. Ludicrous.

Soggychip · 19/10/2021 23:49

And when does all this end in Germany? Never presumably... Covid won't just disappear

I’ve no idea but if it means the daily cases are 1k with very low hospitalisation and deaths I think it’s justified. If covid isn’t going anywhere yet then standing back and letting it rip is going to result in a lot Of illness, NHS being inundated and unacceptable death rates as well as massive disruption to services. Pandemics burn themselves out but this one is not doing that yet so masks and passports seem a small price to pay until it does.

DandyHighwayWoman · 19/10/2021 23:53

@SaveWaterDrinkGin

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: some people really, really don’t want this to end…
Oh behave Hmm
katesbushh · 19/10/2021 23:58

I think it's possible.
Schools are just about coping and hospitals are groaning under the pressure.
It would be shit but what is the alternative.

Those posters who are all " nope next question " I suspect probably said the same early March 2020 and about this time last year...

The public have well and truly had enough but I have to Hmm at the people who say they won't comply. There won't be much choice if the hairdressers, pubs and shops are closed.
Which reminds me I need to get my roots booked in.
What are you going to do? Kidnap your hairdresser/smash your way into a pub?
I agree that most people will still socialise behind closed doors which will probably prolong other restrictions. But largely there would be majority compliance with everything else as there would be no other choice.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong. I have so many plans for the next few weeks and I even managed to book Christmas off and stupidly started to believe my annual leave wouldn't be cancelled (again)

Flaxmeadow · 19/10/2021 23:58

SaveWaterDrinkGin
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: some people really, really don’t want this to end…

It isn't a case of wanting it to end or not. It doesn't matter what we want or don't want. Thats irrelevant.
It's a case of facing up to the fact that the damn thing is here to stay.