How many covid deaths per month is too many?

[PrincessNutNuts]

3000? 4000? 5000? 6000?

At what point would you begin to be uncomfortable with the body count caused by the government policy colloquially known as "living" with covid?

Boris Johnson has been reported as saying that unless 50,000 are going to die he's not changing course.

This number can be expressed as about 238 dead British people every day from September - March inclusive, or 137 deaths per day over a year. Or 416 per day from November - February inclusive.

Is another 50,000 on the covid death toll ok with you?

Or not?

We have to live with Covid at some point, and now is as good as any. What do you suggest as an alternative? More lockdowns? They might lower the deaths, but at huge cost in other areas in terms of the economy, mental health, education, other health problems. The NHS is facing a huge backlog of non-Covid health conditions.

@Nidan2Sandan

I think 40k-50k seems reasonable for a virus still in its early circulation. It'll be a number of years before covid becomes looked at as a norm like flu does and let's remember flu was the last few big pandemics. But even once the "norm" I expect excess deaths to still be in the tens of thousands and that's okay.

We lose thousands of people from much worse illnesses. Believe it or not, covid is not the only deadly illness people die from. But I realise that doesnt fit with your Covid Cult narrative

Government policy of keeping the NHS too busy with covid to do it's normal work will result in more deaths from everything.

It's not a covid cult.

It's that my sort of patriotism, involves not sacrificing British people's lives and British children's education on an altar of lazy, negative, fatalistic, defeatist, bullshit.

I'm a can do, hard working, positive "always do your best" sort of person so surrendering to a virus isn't in me.

@XenoBitch

We have to live with Covid at some point, and now is as good as any. What do you suggest as an alternative? More lockdowns? They might lower the deaths, but at huge cost in other areas in terms of the economy, mental health, education, other health problems. The NHS is facing a huge backlog of non-Covid health conditions.

Another winter of covid chaos will only make that backlog grow.

Hmm at ‘positive’

But anyway

so surrendering to a virus isn't in me.

Don’t then. You can lockdown and avoid it if you choose.

Hi o me, it seems like there would be a lot of overlap between the demographics of those who succumb to flu and those who succumb to covid. Covid is a new virus but both flu and covid are largely respiratory illnesses.

So just doubling the excess deaths by flu would be pretty irresponsible.

@PrincessNutNuts

So most responders are broadly happy with a policy of "Live And Let Die" but slightly coy on actual numbers of British people you are happy to sacrifice each month?

How do you propose we stop the 'sacrifice' then? nice emotive choice of words there btw

We cannot continue to go in and out of lockdown. Covid is here, it's not going anywhere and we have to learn to live with it. Vaccines work and we are developing better treatments all the time. My number is broadly around the 30k mark too. A bad flu season type of number.

There's no need to be rude @Nidan2Sandan

*Sacrifice are you even hearing yourself!!

People have said they are happy with a variety of numbers. Sorry, were we supposed to break that down monthly, weekly, hourly?

You're such a bore.*

Annual figures of 30-50,000 are a bit meaningless when we've already long exceeded them in 2021.

Well, a bad flu season can kill anywhere up to 25-30,000, so I'd say around that mark.

I suppose it’s just personal option, but I see not hugging relatives, not being able to visit loved ones at the end of their lives, heavily constrained and almost inhuman funerals, cancelled weddings and celebrations, new mothers struggling alone without seeing any family or health professional etc etc as surrendering to the virus. This now, living again, isn’t surrendering.

I think even if you’re looking at the same excess deaths as the flu on top of a normal flu season (so 40,000 deaths) there’s sense in implementing basic measures that aren’t onerous such as mask wearing.

The inability to take a middle way in this country boggles my mind. I wish I lived in Germany.

What is the ‘flu figure every year? (Not conflating Covid with ‘flu, just know that it’s quite high).

How many covid deaths per month is too many too many for what?? To go without endless restrictions, disruption to education and the basic sidelining of so many other serious illnesses?

For me personally I'm done. No more lockdowns or restrictions are needed imo. It's not going anywhere. We just need to get on with life now. It's far from the only consideration.

Obvs. 2019-20 will be much lower than it usually is.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Still comparing to New Zealand after 18 months. We did not take the same approach as NZ and we are not going to, deal with it.

Oh Jesus are people still trotting this crap out.

New Zealand is bigger than the UK with barely 5 million people and geographically is in the middle of nowhere. You cannot compare.

How many of those 30,000 "bad flu seasons" are we going to be having every year?!

There are choices to be made, and more British people die with some options than others.

To choose those options is to choose to sacrifice British lives.

In their thousands.

I'm not ok with that. Plenty of people are.

I'm interested how many people will pretend it's inevitable and there's nothing to be done despite NZ and others out there proving otherwise, and how many will put a number on it.

How many dead British people is your "freedom" worth?

Per month preferably

Because 4000 a month horrifies me, but you all seem fine with it, so where's your line?

Quoted the wrong NZ post there. I meant to quote the one that said NZ were in negative deaths

@MrsSkylerWhite

What is the ‘flu figure every year? (Not conflating Covid with ‘flu, just know that it’s quite high).

About 1500.

ONS. figures are quoted in @UnmentionedElephantDildo's post.

To me this has always been about hospitalisation not death rate.

So deaths feature as much as cancer / heart attack deaths do. Horrific and devastating for each of us personally but no one on here quotes daily amounts.

To choose those options is to choose to sacrifice British lives.

In their thousands.

I'm not ok with that. Plenty of people are.

But you’re okay with the 30,000 UK deaths a year linked to air pollution? Gosh

Because 4000 a month horrifies me

Well how do you feel about approximately 12,000 a month cancer deaths? And yes course we could be doing far more to limit cancer deaths.

Horrific and devastating for each of us personally but no one on here quotes daily amounts.

Like anyone on here actually had a clue how many people die a year from cancer / heart disease / dementia before all this.

@thewhatsit I will never forget the video of that bloke being told off and told to move away from his mum when trying to comfort her at his dads funeral.

Today 20:28 PrincessNutNuts

MrsSkylerWhite
What is the ‘flu figure every year? (Not conflating Covid with ‘flu, just know that it’s quite high).

About 1500.

ONS. figures are quoted in @UnmentionedElephantDildo's post.“

Just looked at ONS out of interest and the website site says nearly 30,000 in combination with pneumonia in 2019.