How many covid deaths per month is too many?

[PrincessNutNuts]

3000? 4000? 5000? 6000?

At what point would you begin to be uncomfortable with the body count caused by the government policy colloquially known as "living" with covid?

Boris Johnson has been reported as saying that unless 50,000 are going to die he's not changing course.

This number can be expressed as about 238 dead British people every day from September - March inclusive, or 137 deaths per day over a year. Or 416 per day from November - February inclusive.

Is another 50,000 on the covid death toll ok with you?

Or not?

There were c.28,000 'excess' winter deaths in the last season before covid.

So that's 7,000 a month. Isn't the aim to get covid deaths down into that level of 'background noise'?

A 'bad' flu season would often be taken to mean flu/pneumonia deaths over 30,000 (not the same as 'excess' deaths)

The question is how it's going to be with covid and flu in tandem - if each are causing about 25k deaths ('just' flu is only a few hundred, flu/pneumonia was 26,398 in 19, and 29,516 in 18 - source ONS)

If covid continues at about 60 a day, that's a further 7000+

I don't know how that would translate into excess deaths.

Nor does anyone know what the effect of covid and flu in circulation together might mean for severity of illness if caught together

There will be excess deaths as its a new virus - its not taking the place of another so there will forever now be excess deaths

I would except up to 30-50,000 a year on top of flu given we accept up to that for flu and no one mentions anything. Covid isnt going to replace flu but itll likely affect similar numbers and i think we will have to accept that

I expect that figure to be the figure with all isolations gone though - i want it treated like flu - so no testing or forced isolation - just stay at home when sick and return when better

New Zealand are in negative excess deaths.

Still comparing to New Zealand after 18 months. We did not take the same approach as NZ and we are not going to, deal with it.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Still comparing to New Zealand after 18 months. We did not take the same approach as NZ and we are not going to, deal with it.

And that's why so many British people are dead.

Am I the only one here who is grateful that I do NOT live in NZ? A bunch of islands that are super-isolated from the rest of the world, which have been even more isolated for more than two years (taking lessons from North Korea?), and where there is no endgame in sight apart from covid magically disappearing from the rest of the world. And good ole Jacinda still beaming for the cameras while her island shitshow continues.

No sweetie. That's because of an accident of geography, totally different fiscal set up and completely different population density patterns.

Together those, and many more differences, mean New Zealand cannot be compared to the UK.

Pick a better comparator if you want to be taken seriously.

I’d rather nobody ever died from covid. I’d also rather nobody ever died from heart disease, or dementia, or various different cancers, or diseases linked to air pollution. Me being disapproving about it does not seem to give humans the power to magically vanish diseases, though, which is a bit of a shame.

@PrincessNutNuts

New Zealand are in negative excess deaths.

Are they accepting immigrants?

@NearlyAlwaysInsane

Am I the only one here who is grateful that I do NOT live in NZ? A bunch of islands that are super-isolated from the rest of the world, which have been even more isolated for more than two years (taking lessons from North Korea?), and where there is no endgame in sight apart from covid magically disappearing from the rest of the world. And good ole Jacinda still beaming for the cameras while her island shitshow continues.

Nope, I'm grateful too.

And to answer the original question, am I fine with people dying of Covid? No. Am I willing to accept that for normality to resume, some people will die? Yes, if the alternative is lockdown hokey pokey forevermore.

There are always excess deaths but people have become obsessed with covid and not realised this!!

NZ is always brought up but it’s not comparable. Why don’t people get this, I’m not sure.

Answering the op I’m ok with quite a high number a year - maybe a high flu year.

I think 30-40k excess is probably going to be the norm. It's a new virus that isn't going anywhere. We can't keep restrictions forever and the vast majority are double jabbed. Don't really know what else you would suggest or if you did suggest something, how long would we have to have that level of restrictions for?

Let's see how many excess deaths nz gets in the coming years. They can't hide from covid forever, and the vaccines don't stop transmission so all they have done is kick the can down the road a bit. How anyone can still think lockdowns are the answer is beyond me, we will be reaping fallout of them for years to come, nz included.

@Waxonwaxoff0 thing is would you be that accepting if it was your hubby or your sister who died ? Always ok when it's somebody else's loved one.

@Watapalava

There will be excess deaths as its a new virus - its not taking the place of another so there will forever now be excess deaths

I would except up to 30-50,000 a year on top of flu given we accept up to that for flu and no one mentions anything. Covid isnt going to replace flu but itll likely affect similar numbers and i think we will have to accept that

I expect that figure to be the figure with all isolations gone though - i want it treated like flu - so no testing or forced isolation - just stay at home when sick and return when better

Broadly this, I think.

[quote einekleinenachtarbeit]@Waxonwaxoff0 thing is would you be that accepting if it was your hubby or your sister who died ? Always ok when it's somebody else's loved one.[/quote]
But everyone’s loved ones will die from something. And in a lot of cases, people will be angry and rage against the injustice of their cancer being discovered too late or the ambulance arriving for the heart attack 5 minutes to late or the fall their relative had happening just after the carer had gone and not just before. In other cases, you simply accept that the person was old and frail and were at that point in their life when anything would finish them off and a dignified end is all any of us can hope for.

If my DC were killed by a drunk driver I’d probably want all cars banned.

I’m more worried about cancer than covid to be honest.

I think 40k-50k seems reasonable for a virus still in its early circulation. It'll be a number of years before covid becomes looked at as a norm like flu does and let's remember flu was the last few big pandemics. But even once the "norm" I expect excess deaths to still be in the tens of thousands and that's okay.

We lose thousands of people from much worse illnesses. Believe it or not, covid is not the only deadly illness people die from. But I realise that doesnt fit with your Covid Cult narrative

So most responders are broadly happy with a policy of "Live And Let Die" but slightly coy on actual numbers of British people you are happy to sacrifice each month?

@Suzi888

I’m more worried about cancer than covid to be honest.

Me too, 1 in 2 people will be affected by Cancer during their lifetime.

@PrincessNutNuts

So most responders are broadly happy with a policy of "Live And Let Die" but slightly coy on actual numbers of British people you are happy to sacrifice each month?

I don’t think people are being coy.