Increasing number of cases

[AutumnAlmanack]

Could anyone please explain to me why it is that the UK is recording such a high number of daily cases, and rising, whereas the rest of Europe and elsewhere seem to be showing a steady decline in numbers? It really baffles me!

Other countries haven't abandoned masks and have adopted Covid passports.

We opted for "freedom"

I think its because there is a plan to infect many people as possible before winter truly sets in by allowing covid to run rampant in schools.

Have you looked at how many are being tested? I think the UK are doing double or more than what other countries are!

Because 'mah freedoms'.

Oh yes and they have decided instead of vaccinating teens to let it rip through schools for natural immunity. Way cheaper.

Kids wear masks in all other European countries in schools. And they vaccinated their kids too, while we prevaricated and the JCVI decided to play with the lives of kids rather than get out of their ivory tower and let parents and kids have the choice. 10 kids died as a result in September.

Adults still wear masks in most indoor settings.

We've abandoned masks. We're currently providing really good evidence of what happens when everyone pretends covid isn't real. Hospitals close to breaking point again too.

I think they are prioritising the vaccines for the boosters on older and more vulnerable folk.

It’s not ‘the rest of Europe’ having lower cases than us. Big rises in a lot of Eastern European countries at the moment, compared to lower rates in Western Europe.

A lot of European countries have more remaining restrictions than we do. We also do test more, although that’s unlikely to be the whole picture.

I suspect a lot of people going straight to “because masks! Because Tories!” haven’t actually looked very closely at what’s happening outside England, even just across the border into Wales and Scotland.

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Caramel said it. Stupid Tory political BS!

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Oh yes and they have decided instead of vaccinating teens to let it rip through schools for natural immunity. Way cheaper.

But they are vaccinating teens? Many have already been done.

Because of the utter selfishness and entitled behaviour of the majority

Because if the ‘I’m bored of a virus now’ attitude

Because thinking that ‘well if I get sick I’m fine as I don’t need to pay for healthcare’ attitude

Because still believing that the NHS is what it was 70 years back

Because thinking that the post Brexit Britain is a wonderland where everything will be taken care of

It’s utter silliness to ditch masks and social distancing…

We’ve always been at different stages on the “curve”. Sometimes they are going up while we go down. Sometimes we are going up while they go down.

It’s true that UK has had a much higher sustained number of cases than the rest of Europe since the summer, but we also have a much much wider testing programme. We’re currently testing several times as many people per day, and picking up a lot of asymptomatic or very mild cases, particularly in children.

Children are not being vaccinated fast enough. They've been mixed in close contact in indoor spaces in secondary schools without masks, social distancing, bubbles, with children being encouraged to come into school with positive cases in their household, no ventilation, for weeks.

It takes 3 weeks after the vaccination to get any protection and my DD's school isn' t happening until the end of this week.

They COULD have vaccinated teens over the summer holidays. Anyone with half a brain cell could see that was the logical thing to do. No-one would have been forced to do it, but having those kids who wanted the vaccine having immunity when they started secondary would have saved some kids lives, and a lot of disability, illness, misery and time off school for everyone else.

The 43,000 cocked up tests in the south west hasn’t exactly helped.

I agree that the roll out to teens has been absolutely useless compared to the adult vaccination programme.

There’s a big uptick of cases in Eastern Europe:
www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/

Also looking at Germany, their case numbers have been relatively low but they have been recording up to 80 deaths per day over the past week (not the weekend) which suggests to me that Covid is on the rise there too.

So depressed by this. As always, it's probably a combination of things, but mainly seems down to:

1. Slow vaccination of teens compared to other countries (if you look at where the cases are, they are highly concentrated in the u19 and 35-49 age groups - basically kids at school and their parents)
2. Lack of Covid passports for indoor events
3. Lower mask use than other countries
4. Our government pretending that everthing is normal, that Covid is over, and that 1000 people a week aren't dying from it

I think everywhere gets it in the end. I’ve just looked at the bbc map and all the places that were sky high for cases in months previously (Leicester, Bolton, Burnley etc) and now orange surrounded by red. Same thing with big cities like Birmingham, London, Liverpool- all orange surrounded by red. Hoping this means natural immunity at play. Unless Europe intends on keeping children in masks for the entirety of their education, they’re going to have to let covid into schools sooner or later.

We have no restrictions. We vaccinated early so we are experiencing waning immunity. We have not vaccinated under 18's significantly. Booster rollout is slow.

A combination of things, some are vaccinating younger people sooner than us, masks still in operation, covid passes for indoor venues, no pay/benefits if you're ill /have to isolate due to covid.

Starting g to think we will all get it. Absolutely rife in dds Secondary with manumy of her friends siblings infected. We have now been advised to keep siblings of positive pcr off but too late.
Cases in dd3s class at Pimary too now.

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Waning immunity seems to be a key issue esp re AZ rather than Pfizer. The booster rollout is slow (not sure why? lack of supply?) and we wasted the opportunity in the summer to vaccinate under 18s.

We also have higher hospitalisations and deaths - irrespective of testing.

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Could anyone please explain to me why it is that the UK is recording such a high number of daily cases, and rising, whereas the rest of Europe and elsewhere seem to be showing a steady decline in numbers? It really baffles me!

Because we are testing millions of people who don't have any symptoms, free of charge to users.

A poster on another thread said in Spain, people are being charged 17 euros per LFT, so unsurprisingly, cases are lower.

I don't think case numbers are particularly important at this stage anyway.

We have restrictions in Scotland. And masks. And social distancing. And we're still being asked to work from home. And vaccine passports.

And still the numbers are high.