Increasing number of cases

[AutumnAlmanack]

Could anyone please explain to me why it is that the UK is recording such a high number of daily cases, and rising, whereas the rest of Europe and elsewhere seem to be showing a steady decline in numbers? It really baffles me!

@walksen

"It’s good if people can see it’s not exactly the same pattern as hospitalisation is key"

Most people realise this as we didn't have 45k cases a day this time last year!

last year the number of tests being carried out (because they were handed out for free - do you know billions have been spent on testing?)

Of course the number of cases (which so many equate to positive tests when people are doing multiple tests weekly according to posters on here) will be higher this year.

Meant to say - the number of tests being carried out last year was lowere - therefore fewer 'cases'

@Caramellatteplease

Oh yes and they have decided instead of vaccinating teens to let it rip through schools for natural immunity. Way cheaper.

But that’s not true is?…. You do realise that over 84% of 12-16 year olds have had their first vaccine and over 70% have had their second……..

I absolutely wouldn't blame teens for the appallingly slow and cack-handed rollout of vaccines to their age group. It really isn't their fault.

However, given that about 1 in 12 of the poor kids does have the virus, the laws of chance make it more likely that they will have it to pass on, unofrtunately.

But that’s not true is?…. You do realise that over 84% of 12-16 year olds have had their first vaccine and over 70% have had their second……..

In the uk? Most 12-16 year olds aren’t even having a second jab. Where’s this stat from? It seems wildly inaccurate.

@TableFlowerss Do you actually live in the UK?

I actually won’t be getting my secondary child vaccinated. My older teen was vaccinated, still got sick and he still infected his whole vaccinated tutor. He’s decided against it.

Total waste of time and as a male the risks to his heart were probably higher than Covid. Which he caught anyway.

If anyone thinks the vaccine will help in the no mitigation educational sectors, you are mistaken.

Infection rates in secondary kids are more than double than they were before Christmas, and that is not due to extra testing because it is ONS random sampling data.

last year the number of tests being carried out (because they were handed out for free - do you know billions have been spent on testing?)

Of course the number of cases (which so many equate to positive tests when people are doing multiple tests weekly according to posters on here) will be higher this year"

I see you have completely ignored my other comments on this and resort to a trumpism.

The ons survey does not depend on test numbers and shows prevalence is nearly as high now as it was in january and far far higher than October last year.

If anyone thinks the vaccine will help in the no mitigation educational sectors, you are mistaken.

I disagree, because infection rates in sixth form and uni student aged-students has fallen since the start of term and is way below that of unvaccinated primary and secondary pupils.

@noblegiraffe

If anyone thinks the vaccine will help in the no mitigation educational sectors, you are mistaken.

I disagree, because infection rates in sixth form and uni student aged-students has fallen since the start of term and is way below that of unvaccinated primary and secondary pupils.

I don’t agree. I’ve see it fly around a one dose older cohort. After risk assessing, my child will not be having it. I work in education too. So it’s not like I’m not at risk myself. In fact we have all been down with Covid.

Total waste of time, the reason? There are no mitigations. It’s clear there is dropping immunity. It was to prevent transmission to vulnerable groups and it hasn’t. It’s rife in schools and is spreading into the community via parents, staff, etc.

We shall be seeing the results of that shortly, in fact we already are in the SW.

@MercyBooth

Vaccines aren’t a magical cure - you can still get and transmit the virus even if you are vaccinated

And yet the magical vaccine passports will stop transmission.

They're working in Italy. 0.6% positivity in just under 500,000 tests on Friday. Looks pretty good to me.

It’s not fun working in a school at the moment. Just waiting to get it yet again…

I’ve see it fly around a one dose older cohort

Yes, two doses is better than one. But you can't have two doses until you've had one dose and the vast majority of 12-15 haven't even had that yet. It would be a start.

@DILevil
Sending siblings in when their brother/sister has covid and being surprised that they develop it after being in school for 5 days then complaining when the teacher is off.
Exactly
Dd1 sits ALEVELS this year. Her 1st ever public exam thanks to COVID. 2 out of her 3 subjects now have teachers off presumably with COVID. Hopefully they are not too poorly.
She has lost more teaching time this year than she had at the same point last year. LOCAL public Health have now asked siblings to isolate but too late really.

But that’s not true is?…. You do realise that over 84% of 12-16 year olds have had their first vaccine and over 70% have had their second……..

You do realise that is wrong in England don't you?

In England on 17th October 15% of 12-15yos have had their first jabs and 57.2% of 16-17yos. (taken from the gov.uk website)
Most 12-17yos will not be offered a second jab, it's only if they're clinically vulnerable/live with someone that is CV they'll be offered a second. Otherwise one dose is all they're getting.

Otherwise one dose is all they're getting.

As far as I'm aware, this isn't a final decision and JCVI will be reporting on a second dose for 12-15 in the spring.

@Rosiesmydog

A group of 5 young adults - I’m guessing students - in Tesco today. None were wearing masks (I’m in Wales btw). Shouting and laughing as young adults do, I guess. WTAF?? These are the group who are spreading it around mostly and they are happily acting like fucking prat’s who don’t give a rats arse about the older, more vulnerable shoppers who are potentially being exposed to the possibility they are spreading Covid… I was livid, shot them some evils but really wish I’d said something 😫

Can I just point out that some of us young ones ARE the vulnerable? People seem to distance more around my parents (pension age) but not near me as I'm "young" except I'm one of the most vulnerable...

@noblegiraffe

Infection rates in secondary kids are more than double than they were before Christmas, and that is not due to extra testing because it is ONS random sampling data.

So an ONS random sampling of how many? can be taken to indicate infection rates amonst the millions in this country

*So when is not silly according to you?

Because after coming up two years, enough is a enough. Only on MN do you actually see people spouting madness like this*

Except in Europe where figures are low. Maybe we should be following the European model…

Because we are testing millions of people who don't have any symptoms, free of charge to users.

I don't think that is the reason. The Zoe Covid Symptom Study, which relies on reports of symptoms and not testing, is currently stating that "1,002,466 people are currently predicted to have symptomatic COVID in the UK".

The main reason is that vaccination has stalled with some 5 million still not fully vaccinated, plus the fact that precautions such as wearing masks and avoiding large gatherings were dropped when other countries have retained such precautions alongside vaccination.

Those criticising the booster rollout need to remember that boosters are not given less than 6 months from the second jab. Most older people had first jabs in January and second jabs in April. Therefore they are only just becoming eligible for their boosters.
My family members who had second jabs in the first 2 weeks of April have all had boosters already, so the rollout here is going as fast as possible.

So an ONS random sampling of how many? can be taken to indicate infection rates amonst the millions in this country

I think the Office for National Statistics have a fair idea of how to do this.

We have restrictions in Scotland. And masks. And social distancing. And we're still being asked to work from home. And vaccine passports.

And still the numbers are high.

But are quite a bit lower than England’s, are steadily declining, and have been for the past couple of months. There was a spike when kids went back to school (largely because a lot of people also went back to work at that point) but after a couple of weeks they started coming down.

it’s only if they're clinically vulnerable/live with someone that is CV they'll be offered a second. Otherwise one dose is all they're getting.

My daughter is in that group. As far as I can tell, they are only getting once dose too.