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Is it just me or is this board getting a bit quieter?

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bumbleymummy · 11/10/2021 22:49

That’s a good sign, right? :)

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RedToothBrush · 12/10/2021 23:53

'Minimising' or 'Realising its a different situation to a year ago' is simply a matter of opinion.

The fact I still choose to wear a mask when others don't and I get DS to wear his should give you an idea that I don't actually minimise it.

What I do get is that its a lot less clear cut than it was and how there are a lot of other competing concerns going on here and there are limitations as to what more can realistically be done without causing a lot of indirect harms.

Its just easier to smear other posters as no caring about others.

Thats not reflective of real life.

The whole 'selfish' thing needs to die a death. Its nonsense that doesn't explore the difficulties people have faced or their actual fears/concerns.

I know plenty who are still utterly terrified of covid but feel powerless and just feel they need to get busy living cos they don't know what will happen tomorrow and they can't prevent it anyway.

herecomesthsun · 12/10/2021 23:54

What am I going to do?

Get on with my life - as carefully as I can. 3 Cs. We are all as vaccinated as we can be. I wear an FFP2 in crowded shops etc. I avoid free for alls.

If anyone asks me, I'd advise them to do the same.

I don't actually worry about it, I just do what seems sensible.

MountainDweller · 12/10/2021 23:58

I do find it strange that people are forgetting about it. Here in France we have vaccination passes for restaurants, tourist attractions and events, good levels of vaccination (many teenagers fully vaxxed now), masks still normal in shops, crowded places and public transport. In the U.K. there are many more cases but no one seems to care. My friend who visited last week said plenty of people not wearing masks on the tube (where it's supposed to be compulsory) and even fewer wearing one in supermarkets and on suburban trains. There are threads on here about fully vaxxed people getting pretty sick. Given the choice I'd prefer not to risk that by wearing a mask and showing my pass. It's like the British are looking forward to catching Covid. My DH will be visiting his mum soon and he'll be taking FFP2 masks because nothing is being done for the public good any more, it's every man for himself. I don't want him bringing it back here! I am looking at the U.K. and people remind me of frogs that are being heated slowly in water... eventually the water will get too hot and they'll die, but it's happening slowly so they don't notice.

RedToothBrush · 13/10/2021 00:00

Medical masks. seriously?

Getting past the who pays for that then and how do we ensure this doesn't impact on supplies to the NHS (nhs staff cannot get high grade PPE in many departments even now)...

... Ok. Keep the medical masks on the kids all day, everyday without them taking them off at all (including for lunchtime).

As i keep saying, the biggest issue currently is who the pool of unvaccinated people in close proximity to each other is. And how you maintain that protection the whole time.

30 kids eating dinner together at the same time, kind of renders the rest of the day's mask wearing pointless anyway...

And remember Johnny's brother in Y4 tested positive yesterday but Johnny is still expected to come to school as he hasn't tested positive. Yet.

herecomesthsun · 13/10/2021 00:00

actually, quite a few of us haven't forgotten about it Smile

MountainDweller · 13/10/2021 00:11

herecomesthesun sorry, overgeneralisation on my part about people forgetting about it. I do read the U.K. news and pick up stuff on MN but I was pretty shocked by my friend's first-hand report of how so many people are just carrying on as normal (even though there are signs outside supermarkets asking ppl to wear masks to protect each other and their staff). And at the same time there are threads complaining about how hard it is to get a GP appointment, so obviously not everything is back to normal.

Jourdain11 · 13/10/2021 00:47

And at the same time there are threads complaining about how hard it is to get a GP appointment, so obviously not everything is back to normal.

Nah that is absolutely back to normal Wink

Dishhh · 13/10/2021 00:55

How hilarious. This thread has become a microcosm of exactly what I said earlier in the thread:

Driven out? The board has become quiet because the covid minimisers are now the majority. If anyone else dares ask a question - the sneers and mocking is shocking. That's why the traffic is low. Not because "a certain poster" left TheKeatingFive - although that may mean a lot less less mocking to do, I suppose.

You've proved yourselves right! Congratulations! 👏

Kokeshi123 · 13/10/2021 01:50

This thread is weird because it's the same dynamics being hashed out again, only "Hong Kong, China, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand and Vietnam are Shangri-La" has been replaced by "Western Europe is Shangri-La."

Shangri-La is Denmark and its surrounding Nordic countries, as far as I am concerned. They have jabbed almost everyone (and the few refusers have actually have COVID), have basically stopped almost all mitigation measures, and COVID deaths and hospitalizations are continuing to be flat even as we move towards winter, and the media in these countries are largely ceasing to care about COVID and are letting the whole issue gradually fade into an also-ran item on the news. As indeed they should.

Quartz2208 · 13/10/2021 06:32

This thread demonstrates exactly why the board has become quiet. It’s not about minimising at one end or wanting a potential lockdown on the other it is because apart from the data thread (which is excellent and has some lovely graphs by boys3) there is very little else to say.
People have chosen the line they wish to take whether it is a sensible still mask wearing in some situations whilst going about as normal life as possible or any other variation there of.
You could take any one of the comments from anybody on it (including myself) and match the same comments to numerous threads. Anyone on the board since Jan 2020 could tell you posters views (as you could on Brexit) although some (climb dad and wettham spring to mind have gone or name changed)
In that sense it is a bit like Brexit - we as a country have voted I think on our Covid approach. Like Brexit it is popular with some and unpopular with others although it does manage to have a much more middle ground.
There is no one now to persuade or change the view of

Remmy123 · 13/10/2021 06:45

@MountainDweller I'm so pleased we do not have vaccine passports and do not have to wear masks. Yes rates may be higher but in the U.K. it was always about not overwhelming the NHS.

Delatron · 13/10/2021 07:23

If it comes down to mask wearing. How long do we think other countries will carry on with their mask mandates? Years? Because Covid will always be circulating. What happens in the future?

Delatron · 13/10/2021 07:26

I think maybe in the U.K. we have accepted we’re all probably going to get Covid at some point not that we are frogs being boiled to death (?). And that masks in schools long term (years?) would have a huge impact on children’s development. They don’t even wear them properly either at that age.

Now I would wear a mask on the tube but I don’t think it’s compulsory.

RedToothBrush · 13/10/2021 07:28

@Quartz2208

This thread demonstrates exactly why the board has become quiet. It’s not about minimising at one end or wanting a potential lockdown on the other it is because apart from the data thread (which is excellent and has some lovely graphs by boys3) there is very little else to say. People have chosen the line they wish to take whether it is a sensible still mask wearing in some situations whilst going about as normal life as possible or any other variation there of. You could take any one of the comments from anybody on it (including myself) and match the same comments to numerous threads. Anyone on the board since Jan 2020 could tell you posters views (as you could on Brexit) although some (climb dad and wettham spring to mind have gone or name changed) In that sense it is a bit like Brexit - we as a country have voted I think on our Covid approach. Like Brexit it is popular with some and unpopular with others although it does manage to have a much more middle ground. There is no one now to persuade or change the view of
Tbh i dont think its about changing the view of anyone.

Its more simple resignation to the fact that we can do fuck all more and there is only so many ways to say we fucked it early one.

You cannot even say look how good our vaccine rate is any more.

I think there is very little left to say more than anything else.

The same circular argument loses its interest eventually and because the moment of extreme fear has passed (because of vaccines) we are now more into a stage of general apathy/indifference compared to where we were.

Deaths aren't skyrocketing and hospitalisations whilst high, they aren't at a point where they are so full, no one knows how the hell they are going to fit in the next covid patient.

My local hospital had over 200 covid patients in Jan and was having daily deaths. Its not had a death for a while now (officially none in the last week).

The thing that perhaps surprises me is the lack of talk on mn about the number of unvaccinated pregnant women on ICU. I think i saw a stat earlier this week that 20% of covid icu patients were unvaccinated pregnant women. And 33% on ECMO were pregnant. Which is an appalling number.

Otherwise, its just not affecting people in the way it was. It might not be into 'just a cold' mentality, but its also no long 'fuck if i get this, am i going to die' for most people.

Strangely enough if you look at comments, the most vocal people left on the board now tend to be people who (either for a legit clinical reason or through being overly anxious) are still in the 'fuck am i going to die' camp.

Personally, I am not happy with the situation as it stands, but no amount of complaining about it is going to do much good, because frankly as long as schools are open no one cares enough anymore. If you closed the schools again, or even tightened the ridiculous keep siblings off school rule, then these boards would go nuts.

Its apathy and that's grown on this one. Not entrenchment.

People have had nothing but covid to talk about for over a year. They've had enough of the same subject with nothing new to add to the conversation. So don't want to talk about it.

With Brexit there was always loads of other things people had going on at the same time and in their lives.

You can stare at the numbers now and they aren't doing anything dramatic in most places now. Flatlining is a dull conversation piece...

MarshaBradyo · 13/10/2021 07:33

On changing views I have changed views since March 20 as the situation has changed.

What was needed then isn’t now.

Maybe that is missing sometimes. Also people can choose to behave differently if they want to - as the info shows.

Quartz2208 · 13/10/2021 07:46

Redtoothbrush good point the shocking stats about pregnant women hasnt been discussed

MareofBeasttown · 13/10/2021 07:48

@MarshaBradyo

On changing views I have changed views since March 20 as the situation has changed.

What was needed then isn’t now.

Maybe that is missing sometimes. Also people can choose to behave differently if they want to - as the info shows.

I have changed my views as well, as vaccination went up. I was also reassured when DS got Covid in August, and CV DH and I managed to avoid it in a tiny flat. Perhaps I am wrong, but there's not much more I can do than what I am already doing ( impossible for us to avoid the Tube, in London).
MarshaBradyo · 13/10/2021 07:48

It is being discussed? I’ve heard a fair bit this week

RedToothBrush · 13/10/2021 07:59

@MarshaBradyo

It is being discussed? I’ve heard a fair bit this week
On other parts of the news yes.

On MN?

It should be the thing thats the hot topic. There's relative silence all things considered.

It should have been talked about lots for weeks. Instead I've seen people very dismissive of there even being an issue with pregnant women on here.

People are more concerned about how they can make sure they go on holiday.

Every other thread seems to be about holidays. Which I think demonstrates priorities at this point.

bumbleymummy · 13/10/2021 08:00

@RedToothBrush I think it’s that around 20% of women under a certain age in ICU are unvaccinated and pregnant.

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Dishhh · 13/10/2021 09:09

@RedToothBrush

Strangely enough if you look at comments, the most vocal people left on the board now tend to be people who (either for a legit clinical reason or through being overly anxious) are still in the 'fuck am i going to die' camp.

I'd disagree with that. The most vocal people shout down and shame the above posters down (that's why the board is quiet - who wants that?). BTW its absolutely fine to be anxious when a pandemic is occurring. As to your other comments - they are very UK-centric. It may be all over for you, but have you considered that there are other users of the board from other countries that are at different stages of pandemic control? It may not be over for them. At all.

TheGrumpyGoat · 13/10/2021 09:12

I’m confused about the masks thing. On the one hand we’re told that we should have a mask mandate because 85% of people still want to wear masks. On the other hand we need a mask mandate because no one is wearing a mask and it’s ‘British exceptionalism’ and everyone is selfish so we need a mandate.So which is it?
Incidentally before I get shouted down for being anti mask.

TheGrumpyGoat · 13/10/2021 09:13

Urgh worst grammar in that post.
Incidentally, before I get shouted down for being anti mask, I still wear a mask indoors.

RedToothBrush · 13/10/2021 09:15

But this is a uk forum.

I wouldn't expect it to be dominated by conversations about where other countries are in things.

In the UK the pressing most immediate concerns of people have changed in recent months and weeks. They are more bothered about how am i going to pay the bills.

Thats the way of the world. Its not that people dont care. Its just that concerns and immediate threats are changing and time is moving on. Thats all.

MareofBeasttown · 13/10/2021 09:16

I don't think a mask mandate will work in the UK. Masks are compulsory on the Tube, but at least where I am, about 50-70% are not wearing them anyway.

I have got tired of the debate around masks and just wear my own medical grade mask on the Tube, which I am lucky to be able to afford.

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