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Why do I have Covid if I had both jabs ?

199 replies

tellittomeslowlyandclearly · 06/10/2021 14:56

I thought it was all a government control thing to say you can still catch covid once jabbed, but here I am and I have it. I caught from my DS getting it from school. The class has multiple cases, I tested when he did and I was clear. Then symptoms started 3 days later. DH has it too. So far DD is clear, I don't know how.

I just don't understand surely you're either immune or not? Or is it a different strain?

OP posts:
Reduceddutiesboredom · 06/10/2021 18:14

In total honesty I thought getting the jab stopped you getting covid too blush it wasn’t until everyone got the jab that they started to say, well actually you can still get it, it just won’t kill you.

Probably wouldn’t kill you anyway Hmm

Shocking how little some people understand and blindly do as they’re “told”. I’m definitely pro vacation, but I’d never inject myself with something (especially not my children) without asking questions first.

Zilla1 · 06/10/2021 18:15

To be fair to the OP, there are many vaccines where sero-converting after vaccination leads to full 'protection' or apparent protection from infection by having a sub-clinical infection.

MyOtherProfile · 06/10/2021 18:18

Thought of you when I heard the news of a malaria vaccine on the radio earlier @tellittomeslowlyandclearly

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58810551

the vaccine was safe and still led to a 30% reduction in severe malaria and it's been hailed as a great breakthrough. I don't think you have a very accurate perspective on vaccines.

3WildOnes · 06/10/2021 18:42

People are being incredibly rude. Especially as last year we were being told that they have a high level of protection from catching COVID. Which lots of the smug posters are claiming was never the case.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908.amp

shrugshrug · 06/10/2021 18:53

@Lbnc2021
So sorry to hear your dad died of Covid despite having been double jabbed.
Deepest sympathy.

Louisa111 · 06/10/2021 19:08

Double jabbed here ... just getting over covid pretty bad..my symptoms were no easier for me than my non jabbed hubby..if anything he's faired better than me.
Please tell me how vaccine passports will poss work when if your jabbed you can catch it pass it on and still suffer pretty badly.. I'm sorry to say I didn't think vaccines are the answer out of all this .. I guess winter will tell

JS87 · 06/10/2021 19:22

I think people are being unnecessarily mean to the OP. I suspect there is a large percentage of the population who were under the impression that the vaccine would stop symptomatic infection.

I think the efficacy against symptomatic infection has really dropped off with delta. Also a lot of double vaccinated people are pretty unwell with delta (week in bed kind of ill). Most people assume that the reason they have the flu jab is to prevent them spending a week ill in bed.
Whilst it’s great the vaccines still prevent hospitalisation and death o don’t see what’s wrong in wishing that they were more effective against feeling like death for a week. I see no reason why trials shouldn’t continue to develop a vaccine which is more effective against symptomatic covid.

AFuturisticalSound · 06/10/2021 19:38

@Louisa111

Double jabbed here ... just getting over covid pretty bad..my symptoms were no easier for me than my non jabbed hubby..if anything he's faired better than me. Please tell me how vaccine passports will poss work when if your jabbed you can catch it pass it on and still suffer pretty badly.. I'm sorry to say I didn't think vaccines are the answer out of all this .. I guess winter will tell
Are you seriously suggesting that vacinnes aren't the reason that we are a huge way along the road to be back to normal Shock

Can you share your professional credentials that trump every CMO and chief scientist and your plan?

It's obvious that any kind of measure like vaccine passports is to reduce cases at a population level. No one thinks it means that each individual can go out with a guarantee that they won't catch or pass on covid

This thread really is really quite depressing.

titchy · 06/10/2021 19:47

well what other jabs do we have they don't stop you catching it? I can't think of any. I mean the flu jab doesn't always predict the strain, but they don't say you'll get a bit of flu so they. Pretty rubbish really.

Errr every single one. NONE are 100% effective Hmm

Cornettoninja · 06/10/2021 19:48

[quote 3WildOnes]People are being incredibly rude. Especially as last year we were being told that they have a high level of protection from catching COVID. Which lots of the smug posters are claiming was never the case.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908.amp[/quote]
I don’t think it’s smug to have paid attention to a hell of lot of publicity about a variant that superseded what we were facing a year ago when the vaccines were just at the beginning of getting approval.

I get that life is busy but this is a pretty big thing to miss.

Tbh I think OP set the tone with the reference to governmental control. Rightly or wrongly there’s heavy implications with that phrase.

Ontopofthesunset · 06/10/2021 19:52

My son got mumps last year despite having both doses of MMR - it's only 88% effective which means that if there is an outbreak among the unvaccinated about 12% of vaccinated people could catch it. Which in a university is a lot of students.

Cornettoninja · 06/10/2021 19:54

@Louisa111 vaccines were never the answer to ending the pandemic, Chris Witty confirmed as much at the beginning of the year. What they are the answer to (hopefully under the stress test of their fists winter) is the need for dramatic infection control measures like lockdowns.

Some people will have 100% protection against infection, it’s a gamble whether as an individual you will benefit that way and actually quite hard to measure in a short time frame. What you will almost certainly have gained is the ability to fight it off better than if you’d caught covid without vaccination. That’s evidenced in the drop in hospital admissions and deaths.

Your husband is fortunate that covid wasn’t serious for him but it’s always been the case that the majority can fight it off.

PuzzledObserver · 06/10/2021 20:00

some people (about 80% for the Covid vaccines) develop enough immunity that they completely fight off the virus, have no symptoms and don't transmit the virus.

So as well as being really, really, REALLY good at preventing you from becoming seriously ill/dying with a Covid, the vaccines are also pretty good at reducing your risk of catching it at all.

If you’re one of the 20%, which OP clearly is, then it’s a bit of a bummer to have had your 2 shots and still got Covid. Most of us, by definition, are in the 80%. The trouble is, no-one knows which they are.

That’s why masks and distancing and ventilation and that stuff are still important. Especially if you, or someone you come in contact with, are frail or CEV. But even if everyone you know is in robust health, it is still important to use mitigation measures, because you don’t know who they might have contact with later. The less virus in circulation, the less chance it will encounter someone in the 20% who is vulnerable.

The mitigation measures which I personally think are as much use as a chocolate teapot are Perspex screens and sanitising surfaces.

Lweji · 06/10/2021 20:22

I remember being told repeatedly by the press that the vacinnes were 90-95% effective against catching covid.

Maybe a certain type of press.
It was very clear from the beginning that the best vaccines were 95% effective in reducing serious disease and death, not covid.
And from the start the efficacy of the AZ vaccine was much lower.

The message was that any vaccine was useful.
But vaccine certificates to exempt from tests do pass the wrong idea.

Lweji · 06/10/2021 20:25

In fact the 95% pz and 80% az are for infection.

It isn't and never was.

Nimle · 06/10/2021 20:31

Hi, I too am double vaccinated but caught covid a few weeks ago , I felt rough and tired but feel the vaccine may have prevented me from being seriously I'll. My partner and daughter never caught it from me though . Viruses are strange

tellittomeslowlyandclearly · 06/10/2021 20:41

@Zucker

Do you use a lot of facebook groups OP? It's interesting the Government control bit was in the first line of your original post.
Nope don't have Facebook, all about the gram here.
OP posts:
ItWasAgathaAllAlong · 06/10/2021 21:46

Nope don't have Facebook, all about the gram here

Well I don't know what all about the gram means, but I do know I got whooping cough (from god knows where) in 1983 when I was 15 and fully vaccinated against whooping cough since I was a baby/toddler.

OP - No vaccine is 100%. We do the best we can when we can

Iggly · 06/10/2021 22:05

Instagram? It is owned by Facebook, so not much better

EmmaOvary · 07/10/2021 07:54

So many people on here stating the vaccine does nothing to reduce transmission. It does. It both reduces transmission - but NOT in 100% of cases, no vaccine can claim this, and reduces severity, should you catch it. Covid is still prevalent in the community, we've not reached any kind of herd immunity yet, so it's not surprising that some vaxxed people are still getting it.

IncredulousOne · 07/10/2021 09:29

[quote TheWoleb]@tellittomeslowlyandclearly

Considering that we've never had a successful vaccine for a Coronavirus, they did pretty fucking well.
Grow up.[/quote]
Arguably, your first clause is still true! Grin

leakymcleakleak · 07/10/2021 09:42

I don't know why people are so adamant it doesn't stop you getting covid. It absolutely can, in the way most of us understand that.

And in general, immunity is not taught in school, nor is how vaccines work, so I do think its useful general information most people don't have.

Simple not scientific version: if you have a viral illness, your body is attacked by it and to respond it makes antibodies as specific to the virus as it can to defend itself. Sometimes, your body can make enough to fight it off but not enough to stop you getting seriously ill, sometimes your body does an amazing job and you're not sick at all, sometimes if its a virus you've had before - say something like chicken pox - your body already has the antibodies floating around from the last time and essentially 'zaps' the first sign of the virus so its practically the same as not getting it at all. But in some people, this works better than others, and some people respond to some viruses better than others. And also some people have had previous viruses that while not the same exact one are close enough that some of their existing antibodies are able to start to fight it off while they work on producing specific ones.

Vaccines are artificial ways to get your body to produce the antibodies in advance, so then when you're exposed to the illness you can fight them off. Again, sometimes this mechanism just doesn't work in some people: their bodies don't really respond to the vaccine. In some people, their bodies respond, but not as strongly: they have antibodies, so they're not as sick as they would be if they caught it without the vaccine, but they don't have the level of vaccines to 'zap' the virus early on. They're still sick, just not hospital-level sick. In some people, the vaccine works perfectly and there's not sign they'd had any exposure to the virus. In all these groups, the artificially produced antibodies often don't last as long as the ones your body produces if you've had the disease, and for many viruses both the naturally-produced and vaccine-produced antibodies wear off in time. This is why boosters are needed for some vaccines, and why some vaccines they say last a lifetime.

I don't think you're stupid OP: and I get the point that initially people didn't know how effective it would be. We do now know people can still get it double-jabbed, how likely that is does depend on the specific strain, but across the board people are generally a lot less sick with it and way way fewer people are hospitalised/dying. So its a good thing, and it works in line with how it was expected it would work but nobody really breaks that down in detail.

EllieSattler · 07/10/2021 09:44

www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-coronavirus-breakdown-shows-21779939.amp

"Unvaccinated individuals aged 50 and over are five times as likely to be admitted to hospital as fully vaccinated individuals, the Department reports. And for adults under 50, whilst the numbers admitted to hospital are lower, an unvaccinated individual is almost 18 times as likely to need hospitalisation."

We had about 1100 people die of covid every day in January, including my FIL. There's been no restrictions for months now and the numbers are holding at around 160 a day. Only a tiny number of these deaths are fully vaccinated people.

Yes, the vaccines aren't 100% effective but I'd say they're doing a bloody good job.

Miseryl · 07/10/2021 11:10

Join the club! I've even had COVID before and am worse this time after having had the jabs! 🤣🤣

Lweji · 07/10/2021 11:51

and am worse this time after having had the jabs!

It depends on what you mean by worse.

On a second infection, or after vaccines, the body can respond more vigorously, which may mean that you feel worse, but the infection may not be worse.
Many people don't feel particularly bad, but their O2 levels are low. That is a serious case that can lead to death.
Other people may have a high temperature, and feel terrible, but get through it quickly and their lives are not at risk.

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