Why do I have Covid if I had both jabs ?

[tellittomeslowlyandclearly]

I thought it was all a government control thing to say you can still catch covid once jabbed, but here I am and I have it. I caught from my DS getting it from school. The class has multiple cases, I tested when he did and I was clear. Then symptoms started 3 days later. DH has it too. So far DD is clear, I don't know how.

I just don't understand surely you're either immune or not? Or is it a different strain?

Chicken pox vaccine for one. Plus not everyone responds to the vaccine in an ideal way. You’ll only know this if you get your antibodies tested.

@tellittomeslowlyandclearly

Uhhh I have heard that you could still catch it, but I didn't think I would catch it once jabbed. I thought it was all a load of bollocks.

I would say that having Covid is comparable to having swine flu, which I didn't have a jab for.

So is it fair to say whatever strain I have the jab wasn't made for ?

The swine 'flu vaccine was (if I'm remembering correctly) around 65-80% effective in preventing swine 'flu cases.

No there are not new strains of coronavirus, there are new variants. The vaccine was designed against the original variant identified in Wuhan, and yup you're probably infected with Delta. This has reduced efficacy of vaccines, but they still work well, to the point that they would pass the 50% threshold required in clinical trials.

Scientist here.

Firstly, no vaccine is 100%. So, e.g. if a vaccine is 95% effective that means 1 in 20 people who receive it will not develop any immunity. This may be because they are immunosuppressed either because of age or pregnancy or disease or it may be that they have a fully functioning immune system that just happens to not be able to make antibodies that work against that virus.

Secondly, our immune systems are very varied. This is a very good thing at a population level but for individuals it means different people develop different levels of immunity to a disease, some people will never develop immunity to a disease however many times they are exposed to it, some people will develop enough immunity that they will go on to have mild disease but are still infectious and some people (about 80% for the Covid vaccines) develop enough immunity that they completely fight off the virus, have no symptoms and don't transmit the virus.

Please say you are just trolling OP?

There isn’t a single vaccine that can offer 100% immunity, it’s just not possible!

The Covid vaccines were designed to prevent people from becoming seriously ill, some people will avoid catching it altogether due of the vaccines but not everyone.

It’s the same with the flu jab, it can fail and people can still catch the same strain they were vaccinated against.

I've currently got covid. I'm also a vaccinator.

We tell everyone prior to their jabs that the jabs are not 100% effective and we aren't sure if you can still pass the virus on despite having the vaccine (although there's more up to date info now than there was in the summer).

What we don't know is, those of us who are double jabbed and have covid, would we have suffered worse with it is we hadn't been jabbed at all?

@Happy36 look I know MN loves to belittle "idiots" like me, but normally I'm busy, working, looking after my DC, homework, just living, spinning plates etc. I hadn't paid much attention, because where I work life has continued without social distancing because testing is in place, fogging and masks at times. Very few cases. Yes things like Covid passports are very misleading.

I assumed social distancing staying so long was to stop a divide between the jabbed and the unjabbed having different rules. I hadn't given it much thought, I've obeyed the rules but never got to shopping santising level.

Some of these replies are pretty unkind. I work with vulnerable families and quite a few of the parents have learning disabilities. They would really struggle to understand and retain the information about how vaccines work. We don’t know if the OP has trouble retaining information. We all have our strengths and weaknesses.

By the point the school knew the child was infected, your child had already been infected. Unless you could isolate him at home from you, it is likely that you'd catch it as well.

The protection offered by the various vaccines can be complicated to ascertain and it takes time. Within the first months, Pfizer and Moderna do quite well (around 95% protection - that's 1 in 20 can get serious disease or die) against AZ (66-70% - that's almost 1/3 can get serious disease or die), but Pfizer seems to wane after 5 months or so, to AZ levels or lower - which is why the US and others are now giving 3rd shots. The Moderna seems to hold up better long term.

We're still finding out more about vaccine efficacy in the population.

OP, I didn't mean to belittle you. I was surprised by what you wrote, and that you would agree to be vaccinated twice without finding out how vaccines work.

Sanitising shopping is hygiene theatre.

OP, the problem with your opening post and thread is that you said you basically ignored government advice that people could still get covid and assumed it was meant to control people. You're not supposed to be a vaccine expert, but it's baffling that people are still ignoring what the experts are telling them.

Goodness there are some really nasty comments on this post!

I hope you feel better soon op

Good lord and we wonder why as a nation we are currently the laughing stock of…. a lot of the rest of the world. A vaccine lessens your likelihood of getting Covid - I had it after being double jabbed - it doesn’t eradicate the chance. It also, hopefully, keeps people out of secondary care, allowing the NHS to (just about) function.

I didn't catch Covid from not social distancing though, I caught it from my DC. Am I meant to be social distancing from my children ? Children have to be in school unless you homeschool permanently.

"a government control thing" OP?

OP, ignore the wanky comments on here, some people like to look down on others to make themselves feel more superior. They are just twats.

The vaccine is to stop you getting seriously ill, protecting the NHS and all that.

I caught it after being fully vaccinated - I was always under the impression that the vaccine didn't stop you catching / transmitting the virus, more that it prevented serious illness, the likelihood of hospitalisation and death. I didn't initially have any symptoms at all, and at worst I had a week of feeling tired, achey and sneezy.

Had my son not tested positive on a LF, and therefore I gone for a PCR, I wouldn't initially have suspected I had Covid at all. In a previous world where Covid didn't exist, I'd have just assumed I'd developed a cold and carried on about my daily business. So I'm thankful I had the vaccines, even though I caught the virus I never became seriously ill.

Just proves over and over again that vaccine passports are stupid

Well not possible as isolating, but once back yeah I'll check the infant school curriculum for immunology.

I would hope this doesn’t need saying, (but you never know) there is education available for beyond the infant years. Please make full use of it.

@JaninaDuszejko

Scientist here.

Firstly, no vaccine is 100%. So, e.g. if a vaccine is 95% effective that means 1 in 20 people who receive it will not develop any immunity. This may be because they are immunosuppressed either because of age or pregnancy or disease or it may be that they have a fully functioning immune system that just happens to not be able to make antibodies that work against that virus.

Secondly, our immune systems are very varied. This is a very good thing at a population level but for individuals it means different people develop different levels of immunity to a disease, some people will never develop immunity to a disease however many times they are exposed to it, some people will develop enough immunity that they will go on to have mild disease but are still infectious and some people (about 80% for the Covid vaccines) develop enough immunity that they completely fight off the virus, have no symptoms and don't transmit the virus.

This makes sense, especially from the pov of mandatory vaccination for care workers.

It's not as simple as it was never expected, designed or given to halt the spread of infection, and only protect the vaccinated person, because otherwise what are care workers protecting the people they care for from by having the vaccine? What's the benefits to the vulnerable person if it only protects the person who's had it? My vaccination wouldn't protect my residents at all, it would protect me and theirs would protect them.

Although I would be interested to see data in a year or so to back up that it's actually prevented spread and infection, because my personal experience is that it doesn't, working in a place where everyone is vaccinated and everyone caught covid after vaccination, though that's not really reflective of the whole population.

I can understand the OPs confusion though.

‘ well what other jabs do we have they don't stop you catching it?’

Literally all of them.
Goodness me op.

Is there data published on how many infections there are in people
who are double jabbed ? It asks you online before your test, they just know. I can see why boosters are needed.

I don't remember ever hearing that the vaccine stops you getting Covid, but in most cases makes it less severe

LOL OP, bless you. You actually thought it stopped you from getting Covid? For real? 🤭

Gently asking, you do know Santa isn’t real don’t you? 😏

@JaninaDuszejko thanks this makes sense

Op i think it's because the original messaging was it did prevent infection. In fact the 95% pz and 80% az are for infection.
But az has dropped to say 60% especially with variants.
So it's not surprising that both parents might still get it.
Which is why everyone should really be getting a booster especially az jabbed so it stops transmission a bit. Because at the moment that means 40% of jabbed AZ might still have to have 10d off.
Certainly europe is doing better with much fewer cases.

Re not trusting the messaging well we can see why that's the case as gov are constantly lying to us and changing what they say. (Not due to changing science) and also not changing as science changes.

Hopefully it will get to a point where the jabs work better against testing positive at all as currently everything is so uncertain- will we be able to go on holiday, get back, go for day out, visit elderly relatives.
will be interesting to see if cases drop once dose 3 pz starts to tale effect.