Why do I have Covid if I had both jabs ?

[tellittomeslowlyandclearly]

I thought it was all a government control thing to say you can still catch covid once jabbed, but here I am and I have it. I caught from my DS getting it from school. The class has multiple cases, I tested when he did and I was clear. Then symptoms started 3 days later. DH has it too. So far DD is clear, I don't know how.

I just don't understand surely you're either immune or not? Or is it a different strain?

I know it must be disappointing to have Covid when you've been double jabbed! I feel the opposite to you actually - that the government propaganda is designed to insinuate (although it never states this explicitly) that if you are double jabbed, you won't get covid. The whole rhetoric around vaccine passports suggests that if you are double jabbed you are "safe from covid" but if you are not, you are a danger to yourself and others around you. It isn't that black and white.

As others have stated, the covid jab vastly reduces a person's chance of being seriously ill with covid, if they catch it. That's it, it doesn't stop them catching it or passing it on.

You could argue that an unvaccinated person is more likely to have a heavy viral load / more coughing type symptoms so is more likely to spread it. You could also argue that jabbed people are less likely to know they have Covid due to decreased severity of symptoms so are more likely to be out transmitting it.

@tellittomeslowlyandclearly

Uhhh I have heard that you could still catch it, but I didn't think I would catch it once jabbed. I thought it was all a load of bollocks.

I would say that having Covid is comparable to having swine flu, which I didn't have a jab for.

So is it fair to say whatever strain I have the jab wasn't made for ?

The jab was never intended to prevent all transmission. Have you been living under a rock?

Also- your username is very appropriate.

what other jabs do we have they don't stop you catching it? I can't think of any. I mean the flu jab doesn't always predict the strain, but they don't say you'll get a bit of flu so they. Pretty rubbish really

Whooping cough and cholera that I can think of, certainly the ones I got in the 1970s.

I later got Whooping Cough. Vaccinated around 1974, week in bed with WC 1984 ish.
I wasn’t required to have a cholera booster as the vaccine was - at that time - so ineffective, that many countries that required it, stopped requiring it (we travelled to Turkey a lot for DDad’s work).

@MrsRobbieHart

Also- your username is very appropriate.

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@MrsRobbieHart

Please make sure your children are in school as much as possible OP.

@MrsRobbieHart

Please make sure your children are in school as much as possible OP.

Measles jab doesn't protect everyone

Is this for real? Actually real? Of course they tell you that you can still get the flu once jabbed. It just reduces the chance of it killimg you, or landing you in hospital. I've literally just been told a couple of weeks ago at my flu jab appointment. Also been told that even though my DS is vaccinated against chicken pox, he may still get it but just a milder version of it. THANK THE LORD! The WHOLE point of the Covid vaccine campaign was that it would MASSIVELY reduce your chance of DYING from the sodding thing. Which should be a good enough reason to get IMO for anybody! Ghoddd...

No vaccine is 100% effective for everyone.
It would be amazing if it was, as we could just stop illnesses like flu and covid from circulating completely.

Anyway, the vaccine works by teaching your immune system in advance what to do if it encounters the virus, so hopefully you will recover quicker and your symptoms won't be as severe as they would be if you weren't vaccinated. This is how the flu jab works too.

To be fair the initial trial results were more promising because the current vaccines work better against the variant that was dominant at the start of the pandemic. It is not as effective against Delta, which is the current dominant variant, so we are seeing more breakthrough infections.

Definitely not a "government control thing" though.

@tellittomeslowlyandclearly

Uhhh I have heard that you could still catch it, but I didn't think I would catch it once jabbed. I thought it was all a load of bollocks.

I would say that having Covid is comparable to having swine flu, which I didn't have a jab for.

So is it fair to say whatever strain I have the jab wasn't made for ?

Did you hear that the same place you got the idea it was a government control thing? You might need to review how much credit you give your sources of information. Just so there are no more surprises it’s also possible to catch covid more than once.

Yes the current vaccines were made for previous strains. In under a year.

And lots of vaccines don’t give guaranteed immunity (mumps is one) but it usually doesn’t matter because we have a high level of immunity mostly thanks to…. Vaccines.

The flu jab isn’t 100% and you’re always hearing people moaning how they got the flu in spite of it. We don’t routinely test flu cases so who knows whether they caught another strain or there was vaccine breakthrough involved.

I hope your vaccine worked well enough that your illness is swift and mild. Hope everyone in your household is feeling better soon.

@MrsRobbieHart

Please make sure your children are in school as much as possible OP.

Well not possible as isolating, but once back yeah I'll check the infant school curriculum for immunology.

It just gives your body a headstart.

If you have pre made anti bodies floating round to greet covid as it first invades your body, then it can neutralise them.

If you get a large viral load of covid then it won't neutralise them all, meaning covid gets in the cells, replicates and you get symptoms.

However your immune system also has memory cells that recognise previous virus' so they begin manufacturing antibodies to clear it completely.

So the vaccine gives you some initial protection from infection but crucially saves your body that 2-3 days it would take to make the antibodies from scratch, meaning the virus has less time to replicate and therefore causes less severe symptoms and stops you dying.

@midgedude

Measles jab doesn't protect everyone

I’ve had my MMR twice now because I just don’t make mumps antibodies apparently. It only came up during employment screening.

In your place, OP, I'd seek more information about the vaccines and their efficacy.
There's lots of information out there, including fairly simple explanations about how vaccines work and the efficacy of the different covid vaccines and how they work.

If you have had the AstraZeneca vaccine, it does show much less efficacy than the Pfizer or Moderna, even more so against the Delta variant, which has become prevalent in England.

It's a shame that the government, who has advised that vaccinated people still can get covid, has not put in place measures to prevent transmission in schools - timely vaccination for over 12s and masks.

Obvs you have to have an immune response to the vaccine in the first place for it to work, if you're old or immunocompromised then you're not gonna see the same benefits as someone with a healthy immune system

So, my understanding (I'm a layman) is that each time the virus passes on it mutates just a tiny bit. That means the vaccine can't ever fully block it, but will let your immune system recognise and fight it that much quicker as it has "some experience".

From a personal perspective, middle DD tested positive on a LFT Sunday (instantly) and we're all awaiting PCR tests. I'm still testing negative on LFTs and she's still positive. We still have similar symptoms, me worse actually, cough, runny nose, feeling rubbish. My understanding of that is that my immune system is reacting full strength, as it knows what it's doing, therefore (thankfully) I have much less viral load (the amount of virus in my system) because my immune system is killing it off ASAP. That means the vaccine is doing what it's meant to, and helping to break transmission.

I'll look forward to your award winning unrubbush vaccine.

What's the "government control thing"? Do you mean conspiracy theories about it being government control?

Personally I think the conspiracy theories about it being a way for the government to control us is bollocks, but so is the opinion that the vaccine offers 100% protection against covid.

Having an immunity in the terms of illness does not stop you from being exposed to an illness.
Some illness you can build an immunity to with exposure for example Chicken Pox once you've had it you are unlikely to become unwell with it or experience significant symptoms as your body recognises it and has antibodies to keep it in check.

You are made of flesh and blood not Teflon

With the vaccine it has allowed your body to build up some immunity to a brand new virus which will be reducing the symptoms you are experiencing.

People with compromised immune systems such as chemo patients and very elderly can't retain that level of immunity so even after 2 jabs can be just as ill as not having one.

Does that help at all

Without wishing to get MN pearl-clutchy, my jaw dropped open when I read the thread title. Then I assumed I had misunderstood, but, when I read the OP, I realised that I had not misinterpreted.

OP, I'm sorry you've tested positive and I hope you recover quickly.

However, to be frank, I'm blindsided that you thought you couldn't catch COVID after vaccination. I don't live in U.K., but here it's printed on the form they give you and also on posters at the vaccination centre.

Did you not question why social distancing and testing has continued after vaccination? And why there are still so many cases?

To add to my post, the problem with this virus (if I understand it correctly) is how easily it's passed on. For something like rubella it's not passed on as easily so it mutates far less. So the vaccine can be programmed to recognise it exactly and prevent it.

With Covid it passes far more easily and the strains that evade the vaccine will naturally be more prevalent. I think science has done an outstanding job to so quickly prevent the spread as much as they have.

@Lweji I did have AZ as did DH. A lot of cases in my DC class, my DC not the first, but many since sadly. Despite my DC sitting next to one child infected, the school did not say anything. So why wasn't I notified he was a close contact? I only found out on the grapevine and now half the class is infected, so it really spread.

@tellittomeslowlyandclearly

Uhhh I have heard that you could still catch it, but I didn't think I would catch it once jabbed. I thought it was all a load of bollocks.

I would say that having Covid is comparable to having swine flu, which I didn't have a jab for.

So is it fair to say whatever strain I have the jab wasn't made for ?

No it doesn't. It means that the vaccine has reduced your symptoms to what was comparable for you when you had swine flu.

Without the vaccine you would have been much more unwell.

The government's policies towards covid are primarily economic now, not health based so that's why you weren't informed. There's no point.

They need schools open so people can work and it's too transmissible with unlikely consequences for young people so they're effectively letting rip.

Sadly it doesn't account for any vulnerable people the kids are likely to come into contact with