Are there many people in hospital due to vaccine injury?

[Confused10101]

This is what an MP said in the parliament- of course doesn’t go into detail which hospital etc but can an MP just make statements like this without checking the facts? If they did check the facts then are there lot more vaccine injuries?

Statement Made:

Our hospitals have a large number of in-patients who are there only because they took the vaccine. It is causing a lot of angst for consultants across the country. That is why the Government should say now that they are going to look at these issues off their own bat without being required to by Parliament, and that they will carry out a review, which could also include assessing costs and benefits.
Martin Docherty-Hughes
(West Dunbartonshire) (SNP)

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-09-10/debates/9DC43CAE-0728-4000-8AB7-7B2B8156DAA3/Covid-19VaccineDamageBill

Christopher Chope
The man who filibustered the upskirting bill?
Not someone whose opinion I can respect
I feel sorry for his constituents

I find the media is suspiciously quiet about vaccine injuries. They were reporting loads of it earlier in the year. I suspect though that that maybe because most people have been vaccinated now

[quote Confused10101]@howdiditcometothis666 hmm that’s concerning- yes the UK did sweep the whole blood clot argument under the carpet until they couldn’t hide it any longer.
well if you go by mumsnet standards the ‘do not question anything about the vaccine else I’ll chew your head off’ stance is pretty strong

You cannot for the love of god ask anything here which questions the vaccine- you get posters coming at you in all directions!

I’m yet to have my second dose and I’m quite concerned- it feels like a decision between do you want a heart inflammation now with your second dose? Or maybe later with Covid?

Not much of a choice…[/quote]
It's a ridiculous place to be. The stance seems to be: refuse to acknowledge anything thus preventing vaccine hesitancy . In fact what it does in many cases is just the opposite - increases distrust.

All the vaccine manufacturers themselves said the side effects would be unacceptable in any other situation except a pandemic. They are supposed to be working on improving them.

Ah my old MP still being an absolute twat I see. Sad thing is he could say he wanted to kill all aged 60+ Conservative voters and the population of Christchurch would still vote him in! It's just bizarre how he gets away with it all.

Ignore everything he says. He just likes his name in the papers the misogynistic bastard that he is.

@MyCatDribbles

I find the media is suspiciously quiet about vaccine injuries. They were reporting loads of it earlier in the year. I suspect though that that maybe because most people have been vaccinated now

Or there have been very few serious side effects.

@howdiditcometothis666
I'm sure there's a link showing the vaccine manufacturers said that. Could you post it please?

[quote Geamhradh]@howdiditcometothis666
I'm sure there's a link showing the vaccine manufacturers said that. Could you post it please?[/quote]
I read it about two months ago. You are welcome to go hunting for it. It was an article about boosters with the manufacturers discussing their products. They talked about how the mRNA vaccines should be easily tweaked for variants and that they were also working on it to cover a flu booster too.
That led to the discussion that they *all) knew the side effects would not be acceptable long term/out of pandemic situation and they are trying to improve them. That might help you track it down.

Sadly it is increasingly looking like they won't have to bother as the unaffected majority don't care

I feel sorry for his constituents
Thanks.

Saddest thing is the Devil himself could be on gthe ballot paper here and most people would still vote blue

Sadly it is increasingly looking like they won't have to bother as the unaffected majority don't care

I don't think it's that they don't care, it's that we ARE in a pandemic so the risk benefit calculation is different. Your risk from covid is a combination of the chance of you getting covid and the chance of your getting adverse effects if you do get it. Given the lack of willingness to do anything about preventing spread the risk to unvaccinated people from covid is higher than it otherwise would be. Which is why a slighty higher level of risk from vaccines might be more acceptable during a pandemic than at other times and the risk benefit calculation would still work out in favour of a vaccine.

Which I'm imagining is what the vaccine manufacturers meant rather than any implication that the vaccines were unsafe and shouldn't be used right now.

I think a lot of people will be making trips to A&E for every symptom they experience for fear of the rare side effects. It would be hard not to if you are prone to anxiety.

I could easily imagine a bout of heartburn post jab being “myocarditis” in someone’s mind thanks to all the fear mongering in the media.

I’m confused as to how an MP can make such a statement without backing it up with data?

At least part of the problem is that it is our esteemed Prime Minister's role to be the ultimate upholder of the truth in parliament

And look how that is going.

No wonder ordinary MPs can get away with making unfounded statements

@howdiditcometothis666

Australia is much better at acknowledging deaths and adverse events from the vaccines than the UK. If their death rate is correct then we will have more www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-09-2021

I don't know that MP and he may well be as mad as a box of frogs but I do agree with the point he is making. The UK is sweeping it under the carpet like a dirty little secret to the total detriment of the families affected

Agreed. But if you try to raise this you get labelled an anti-vaxxer, a conspiracy theorist, or even a racist/anti-Semite (see other threads on here for examples).

It makes it impossible to have a rational discussion. *

There are risks from catching Coronavirus - for most people these risks will be small (tending to increase with age).
There are risks from the vaccines - for most people these risks will be small (tending to decrease with age).

At some (unspecified) age, the risks from Coronavirus outweigh the risks from having the vaccine, and at that point it probably makes sense to have the vaccine. But by shutting down discussion of vaccine injuries (and in some cases not recording them as vaccine injuries at all) it makes it impossible for people to accurately assess the relative risks. IMO if you hide or obscure the information, this fundamentally undermines the very concept of informed consent.

• To prove my point, just watch the replies that this post will generate...

@Confused10101 MP’s make all sorts of ‘statements’ which are blatant lies!!

During the leave campaign, one of Johnson’s central arguments was that leaving the EU would allow the UK to pump an extra £350m a week into the NHS, a figure that was later revised down to £100m.

Lol and call johnson a liar in parliament and you're out on your ear because it's not behaviour acceptable as an mp

Why don’t you just look at the stats that the Gov has produced on this very topic? We collate these records for good reason!
Pfizer: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1020030/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_vaccine_analysis_print.pdf
AZ: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1020032/COVID-19_vaccine_AstraZeneca_analysis_print.pdf

534 deaths from Pfizer

1083 deaths from AZ

That’s in the government data posted above.

@pontypridd

That’s in the government data posted above.

They aren't deaths "from" vaccines @pontypridd, they're deaths that occurred in people who have been vaccinated.

It's a sad fact of life that there's a general rate of death in populations, we're not immortal. If no one died after being vaccinated, it would suggest they were somehow protective against death, which would be surprising to say the least.

This is why raw figures aren't useful. They need to be compared to the rate of death in a comparable unvaccinated population.

Has been posted many times before but here it is again

It is important to note that Yellow Card data cannot be used to derive side effect rates or compare the safety profile of COVID-19 vaccinations as many factors can influence ADR reporting.

Do find it weird posters are suggesting that this data isn't being collected or analysed, where it very publicly is, and people are actively encouraged to report any side effects.

@pontypridd some TV I got tells me you are not very happy about these vaccines!

Someone posted above that the vaccine manufacturers are meant to be looking into ways to minimise the adverse reactions but I cannot find much data about this happening

I suppose because no one can sue the vaccine manufacturers directly there is no urgency for this to be done?

@Confused10101

Someone posted above that the vaccine manufacturers are meant to be looking into ways to minimise the adverse reactions but I cannot find much data about this happening

I suppose because no one can sue the vaccine manufacturers directly there is no urgency for this to be done?

All the vaccine manufacturers themselves said the side effects would be unacceptable in any other situation except a pandemic. They are supposed to be working on improving them.

Well I'd still like to see a link that shows the "manufacturers" (Pfizer? Oxford? AZ?) saying this and the context because I certainly haven't seen any quotes, and the poster not linking anything but saying it can be found online isn't too helpful.

@ollyollyoxenfree that’s the one- yes I looked online but couldn’t find much evidence. May I need to do a reverse search using that paragraph

534 deaths from Pfizer
1083 deaths from AZ

If we are being very pedantic about accuracy, not from. Reported to have been associated with. Not all them will have been caused by the vaccine. The absolute number isn't important. It's the increase in deaths over what would normally be expected from the same population if you didn't vaccinate them.

At least 5% of the Pfizer deaths are from Covid, which can't have had anything to do with the vaccine. And if you look at the non-fatal reactions, virtually everything including the kitchen sink is included. Some with a plausible mechanism, some - drowning, 2nd degree burns, insect bites/stings, foreign body in the eye almost certainly completely unrelated.