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Are there many people in hospital due to vaccine injury?

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Confused10101 · 22/09/2021 23:35

This is what an MP said in the parliament- of course doesn’t go into detail which hospital etc but can an MP just make statements like this without checking the facts? If they did check the facts then are there lot more vaccine injuries?

Statement Made:

Our hospitals have a large number of in-patients who are there only because they took the vaccine. It is causing a lot of angst for consultants across the country. That is why the Government should say now that they are going to look at these issues off their own bat without being required to by Parliament, and that they will carry out a review, which could also include assessing costs and benefits.
Martin Docherty-Hughes
(West Dunbartonshire) (SNP)

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-09-10/debates/9DC43CAE-0728-4000-8AB7-7B2B8156DAA3/Covid-19VaccineDamageBill

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mumwon · 24/09/2021 20:09

sigh - anyone can develop an autoimmune reaction or an allergy from anything - & that includes & is more likely an infection -particularly an new or novel virus we have never had before. The blood clot are similar type to the ones that develop on rare occasions to heparin - it is not that there is something wrong with heparin or the vaccines it is something that, sadly, occurs within the individual - an over reaction. this form of blood clotting/low platelets is being treated successfully in many people because of the understanding of the disorder & advertising this issue & advice to go to hospital asap with these symptoms.
people think in terms of covid as purely death rates but everybody should remember that far more people of all ages can be left with severe health issues - in some cases causing lifetime disabilities & that these are not just elderly or people with previous health issues.
Bluntly you can die from penicillin
They are trying to figure a way to make it less likely to give this extremely rare condition -
Millions & millions of lives have been saved by vaccine - directly or indirectly most of us come under that category.
the number of people affected by this incredibly sad reaction are really small & the numbers severely affected or the very very few who sadly die are smaller still. Nothing is without risk & the risk of this happening is incredibly small.

BustinOuttaMyJeans · 24/09/2021 21:29

Weird. I've been working in his local hospital all day. Not sure what the fuck he's on about. Perhaps he'd like to pop in and have a chat with us to discuss? Please don't actually though. A&E is rammed enough.

howdiditcometothis666 · 25/09/2021 10:38

@mumwon " the number of people affected by this incredibly sad reaction are really small & the numbers severely affected or the very very few who sadly die are smaller still. Nothing is without risk & the risk of this happening is incredibly small."
Where are your figures for this please? That's what I would like to see.

Australia is saying 9 people have died linked to the blood clots from the Vaccine. 8 women and 7 in the age bracket 40/50. I think they say a rate of 1.3 incidents (not death) per 100000 shots

It appears that PHE are not actively looking at this from their reply to the MP in the OP. Is that correct?
The Yellow card system is not satisfactory because it doesn't make any attempt establish a link or not to the vaccine.
If you do lose a loved one to a blood clot after vaccine I believe it is 4/5 mths before you will be told if there was a link to the vaccine. So where is this information? As I said before nobody seems to care about those people.

It appears Pfizer has gained the continuation of emergency use it wanted for it's booster so no need for them to work on improving the adverse events. And it is clear on this thread the majority don't care.
Look into the eyes of someone who lost a person to the vaccine and tell them to shut up and go away. That is what is happening and the response by MPs in the OP couldn't show it more clearly.

I guess they will be working on reducing adverse events in their research for their mRNA flu vaccine. But surely there should be independent recording of side effects actually linked to the vaccines. Is that really too much to ask?

People doubting the article I read. So I did try to find it again but couldn't. Although it's interesting how I am doubted but others can make wild claims without any interrogation.

Some links relating to what I read and I hope you will see how it could all have been pulled together in the article that I DID!! read when they were discussing boosters, mRNA flu jabs and side effects going forward. If they don't sort their side effects out then they can't use the mRNA/Covid vax technology for anything other than a pandemic . Someone has already posted on here what the AZ inventor says of the non pandemic Covid future.
Bear in mind this is a pandemic that when ONS standardized the UK 2020 death rate for age and population, it was slightly less than 2008 and less than previous years. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/12735annualdeathsandmortalityrates1938to2020provisional

Some of you will be reassured, some will not because it is so hard to find actual facts on adverse events which everybody admits occur and are not satisfactory outside a pandemic
Stanley Plotkin is renowned and advises vaccine manufacturers:
"Administering the vaccine in drips instead of all at once could help to solve a third drawback: side effects. Severe reactions, although transient, do seem to be more common with COVID-19 shots than with other immunizations — more than 80% of people who received the Moderna vaccine in clinical trials had some type of systemic reaction to the shot, with bouts of fatigue, muscle pain and other issues that often proved briefly debilitating.

'That unpleasantness might be acceptable in the midst of a deadly global pandemic, says vaccinologist Stanley Plotkin, who consults for many vaccine manufacturers. But people might baulk at routinely feeling so ill for, say, their annual flu shot'. And for any vaccines geared toward infants, “one would certainly want to have something less reactogenic”.

This is in relation to developing a mRNA flu jab:
"The risk-benefit analysis for seasonal influenza vaccines is different from that of Covid-19 mRNA vaccines being authorised in the middle of a pandemic. For example, given the higher risks associated with Covid-19 infections, mild or rare side effects were still acceptable. However, the severity and frequency of adverse events (AEs) will be scrutinised much more closely when it comes to influenza vaccines, experts said.

Adverse events related to relatively new mRNA vaccines are rare and have not been studied for long, but there is still no reason to be hesitant in taking the Covid-19 vaccine, said Friedman. Nonetheless, the field needs to understand if the rare side effects like thrombotic events in adults and myocarditis in children are unique to Covid-19 or a characteristic of mRNA vaccines in general, said Sawyer."

Confused10101 · 25/09/2021 11:49

@howdiditcometothis666 I’m not doubting you read it but it’s that I couldn’t find much further info…

I’ve had my first dose of Pfizer and will be due my second one..but hand in heart I don’t want any of the doses (the vaccine police of mumsnet will now call me an ‘anti vaxxer’)

I don’t feel comfortable having this vaccine
I don’t feel comfortable no other medication/therapy is being discussed
People who ask questions re safety are labelled ’anti vaxxers’
No talk about promoting healthy life choices, better ventilation etc

I’m actually going off Whitty as well..I trusted and respected him at the start of the pandemic- since he’s beconn my e a vaccine salesman I’m not too sure where his loyalties lie

But here I am- l would probably have to go through the second dose as I’m not sure I’ll be able to live a proper life without…

Also incase I end up I a hospital without the vaccine how can I be sure my care will be good? There was an ICU (supposedly) nurse posting a thread couple of days back calling unvaccinated people idiots…

I might end up dead and added to the ‘or that’s just a small number’ statistic

Or I might end up with heart issues or other issues snd added to ‘ or that’s an even smaller number’ statistic

After my second dose…it doesn’t feel right.

I

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ollyollyoxenfree · 25/09/2021 12:08

I’ve had my first dose of Pfizer and will be due my second one..but hand in heart I don’t want any of the doses (the vaccine police of mumsnet will now call me an ‘anti vaxxer’) I don’t feel comfortable having this vaccin

@Confused10101, if you don't want the second dose then don't feel like you have to have it. This doesn't make you an "anti-vaxxer" but I'd suggest talking it through with a clinician at a vaccine centre to make sure you're making an informed decision.

I don’t feel comfortable no other medication/therapy is being discussed

This isn't the case and has been such a damaging myth propagated by the anti-vaxxer groups.

When the pandemic took hold, randomised controlled trials were set up as fast as humanely possible to identify existing drugs that could be used to treat COVID. A list of candidate drugs was drawn up based on biological rationale, and systematically tested on patients in trials like RECOVERY, SOLIDARITY and Principle. This is how we've identified dexamethasone and others that can be used to improve COVID outcomes. These drugs are cheap and readily available.

In addition, drug companies are working on developing novel anti-viral that can be used as preventives or as treatments.

Vaccination is a better option than treating cases as they appear, for lots of reasons, but a huge amount of intensive effort has gone into identifying therapeutic options.

Torvean · 25/09/2021 12:24

I'm part of a very large vaccine study.
There have been 0 deaths from vaccination.

In July it was reported that there was 389 issue with platelets and 49 deaths from AZ out of 28.5 milion vaccinations.

With
1 death from Moderna
0 ftom Pfizer.

Since March 2021 there have been reports from the UK and internationally of a very rare condition of thrombosis (blood clots) and thrombocytopenia (low platelets). In under 50s, around 1 case has been reported for every 50,000 first doses of the AZ vaccine. For the second dose of vaccine, less than 1 case has been reported for every million vaccines given to people under 50 years of age; none of these second-dose cases were confirmed.

I'm not sure if you're quoting someone ftom the SNP , who I wouldn't trust.

Majority in hospital are unvaccinated or only had 1 vaccine. And there are ppl of all ages despite what others say.

The myocarditis thing is blown out of proportion and there are currently studies monitoring this.

As for "vaccine injuries" it's ridiculous some of the things people are blaming on vaccines.

howdiditcometothis666 · 25/09/2021 17:26

@Confused10101 I totally understand your concerns and the frustration at being labeled and derided as mad anti vax, for merely wanting to know more about adverse reactions to the vaccines.
My DP is vulnerable, worked all the way through this, didn't have any sick days until they had their 2 vaccines. They will not be having their booster, interestingly they have also lost trust.

A close family member of mine nearly died from an adverse reaction to a drug. It was prescribed in a cavalier manner with zero thought to the known side effects and no explanation or warning to the patient.
So if an ICU nurse thinks they will treat an unvaccinated person differently as you mention - one they are in the wrong profession and two they should wonder why their patient has lost trust in the medical profession. Maybe build trust back up instead of aiming to totally obliterate it altogether by posting such things on the Internet.

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