All 12-15s to be offered single dose of Pfizer, CMOs decide

[bagofconkers]

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-to-be-offered-to-children-aged-12-to-15-chief-medical-officers-decide-12402855

Young people weren’t affected by COVID at all back then especially not kids.

Yep it was around this time that ds was struggling to breathe between coughs, burning chest pain, high temp and still was refused hospital. The doctor didn’t think it could be covid as “he hadn’t been to China.” It wasn’t until he developed mis-c/Kawasaki syndrome that the doctors started to get a bit worried. A few days after he was admitted, the consultant told us they were starting to see cases of something that looked like Kawasaki disease in children, although it was the wrong age group. All had had a “covid-like” infection in the days/week before.

So we knew, and healthcare staff who had seen paediatric patients with it knew. Chris Whitty knows! The government did a fantastic job of convincing people it didn’t exist though, so well done them.

I watched the press conference and thought its was shit show.
It wasent clear and for me dident instil confidence that other issues unknown to us are at play.

1. they know delta is making young people ill.
2. they realise maybe via Scotland results and what happened autumn that it quickly spread to other age groups if rife in schools.
3. despite all the flip flopping on vaccine passports javid telling bbc no and bojo saying they important its chaos.

I have joined idea what winter plan tool kit is.
Whatever is said they will go back on
They seem to make it up as they go along.
Either double vaccinate or don't..
1 vaccine is bonkers and undermines adults getting 2 vaccines.
I believe you should offer parents and pupils choice however we know vaccines won't block transmission so as whitty said it won't necessarily improve a disrupted educational.
No vaccinated under 18s don't have self isolate as close contacts so they lost that advantage.
I imagine taking silly jabbed teen abroad is palava as far as other countries are concerned they not fully vaccinated the ease of travel may have inventiveness some maybe.

So state of play to parents is

We going against jcvi whoever vaccines are optional? Your child's unlikely get ill, travel will still be tricky? There are some risks , your child won't have isolate regardless vaxxed or non vaxxed, their education maybe still disrupted.
We know double jabbed people can get covid and transmit so wheres data evidence only giving 1 jab no other country is offer single jab unless Johnson 1 jab.

I do want 15 year old done and so does she.
I believe I choice so it's right they have a choice however disagree 1 jab.
I feel messaging is shit,they undermined the vaccine in young people, there's not many useful incentives they really played into hands if antivaxxers with their shit slow conflicting messaging on merits of vaccinating teens.

@Watapalava

madcats why are close contacts being sent home as thats no longer policy?

No idea...it's on the advice of local Public Health. I think they are allowed back when they get a -ve PCR (rest of the year are being asked to do tests 3 times this week, having just done one last night).

I believe I choice so it's right they have a choice however disagree 1 jab.

Why?

Just so you can travel?

Not a good reason.

@Thegentleman

What will happen in 5/10/15/20 years when the longer term side effects appear(there will 100% be some that we do not know about yet) Things like asbestos and smoking the effects did not get discovered for many many years. What would be the the consequences of an entire generation with a percentage having problems?

Waves at Mike Yeadon

So kind of you to take time out your anti-vax campaigning to join us

I will not give permission for my child to have this vaccine as he does not need it for his health and those who do have been offered it.

@Thegentleman

What will happen in 5/10/15/20 years when the longer term side effects appear(there will 100% be some that we do not know about yet) Things like asbestos and smoking the effects did not get discovered for many many years. What would be the the consequences of an entire generation with a percentage having problems?

Comparing vaccinations to asbestos and smoking

@Thegentleman

What will happen in 5/10/15/20 years when the longer term side effects appear(there will 100% be some that we do not know about yet) Things like asbestos and smoking the effects did not get discovered for many many years. What would be the the consequences of an entire generation with a percentage having problems?

My doctor friend posts info online and her response to the worry about long term effects of the new vaccines, is name another vaccine that has given any long term effect other than some level of immunity to the relevant disease?

Asbestos, smoking, thalidomide, etc were/are not vaccines.

@RedToothBrush

I believe I choice so it's right they have a choice however disagree 1 jab.

Why?

Just so you can travel?

Not a good reason.

Not for me no as we have no plans to travel abroad until 2023 at earliest

But 1 jab we been told is not good enough for adults against delta so why is it good enough for our teenagers?
Where the data?
We don't know we hardly vaccinated any teens and all of that has been very recent last 8 weeks maybe less.

Also there's always that what if.
Border restrictions due to become lot looser if a new varient overtakes delta as dominant varient and it effects our kids then the decision to single jab will come back and bite them.

Why is it fair youngsters get 1 jab and over 50s get 3.
Which I think is what's being proposed tomorrow at the train wreck that us bojo conference.

Not any chance I would put my child forward for this, and she is against it thankfully. I’m following the science and not the government on this one. A marginal benefit, not recommended by JCVI for healthy children, is enough for me.

I am happy for the parents that wish their child to have it, I understand it will be a relief for some.

Nothing to argue about, let those that want the vaccine get it, it will provide protection for those that don’t too, if it does reduce transmission. Will be interesting to see the uptake.

My child has done enough, in my opinion, without taking a vaccine for the team.

@severusvape

Not any chance I would put my child forward for this, and she is against it thankfully. I’m following the science and not the government on this one. A marginal benefit, not recommended by JCVI for healthy children, is enough for me.

I am happy for the parents that wish their child to have it, I understand it will be a relief for some.

Nothing to argue about, let those that want the vaccine get it, it will provide protection for those that don’t too, if it does reduce transmission. Will be interesting to see the uptake.

My child has done enough, in my opinion, without taking a vaccine for the team.

Ditto

@Comedycook I don't think the press are allowed to post articles showing vaccine complications, I personally know 2 people (1 still in hospital) and know of friends of friends yet nothing is ever in the news so I don't think we would ever hear of the true risk of complications

@severusvape

Not any chance I would put my child forward for this, and she is against it thankfully. I’m following the science and not the government on this one. A marginal benefit, not recommended by JCVI for healthy children, is enough for me.

I am happy for the parents that wish their child to have it, I understand it will be a relief for some.

Nothing to argue about, let those that want the vaccine get it, it will provide protection for those that don’t too, if it does reduce transmission. Will be interesting to see the uptake.

My child has done enough, in my opinion, without taking a vaccine for the team.

As very carefully outlined by the CMOs, their reasons for recommendation are direct benefits to children themselves, not wider society. They did not consider this when carrying out their benefit/risk profile.

It is really interesting to see the same lines being posted over and over by different posters.

The data is upthread on that bbc thing.

A second jab gives little extra protection according to that but it increases the risk significantly in comparison.

And kids are already much lower risk than adults.

The CMOs made the evaluation that the benefit / risk wasn't sufficient for two doses.

I find it mind boogling that anyone would want to go against the professional assessment of the data as if they know better!!!

[quote namechangerforthisconfessionn]@Comedycook I don't think the press are allowed to post articles showing vaccine complications, I personally know 2 people (1 still in hospital) and know of friends of friends yet nothing is ever in the news so I don't think we would ever hear of the true risk of complications [/quote]
This is such crap. The media won't publish unproven stories with no credible sources - which is why loads up on places like bitchute or odessey.

The tragic (and extremely) rare cases of people dying or having complications have been widely reported in the media, you just need to take a look online.

@noblegiraffe

It is really interesting to see the same lines being posted over and over by different posters.

I'm convinced (and heartened) by the idea there's just a small amount of prolific namechanging posters tbh

This makes absolutely no sense. Dd doesn’t want the jab. But it would be no point anyway without 2. I’d perhaps be advising her to seriously consider 2 so that she can go abroad… to dh’s family etc and on holiday when there…

It is @noblegiraffe

Sadly people have become very polarised and stuck. I was talking about this with my husband today.

People seem unable to see that most of life is grey, as opposed to pure white and black.

[quote namechangerforthisconfessionn]@Comedycook I don't think the press are allowed to post articles showing vaccine complications, I personally know 2 people (1 still in hospital) and know of friends of friends yet nothing is ever in the news so I don't think we would ever hear of the true risk of complications [/quote]
Oh stop it.
There has been loads in the news. The anti-vaxxers on MN are forever sharing sad stories that usually turn out to not have anything to do with the vaccine.

3asAbird, I agree that I would rather my dc has 2 doses. But at least this is way forward, choice for parent and children who wants to get vaccinated.
Partial protection is better than no protection. So, I'm disappointed in a way, but feeling more positive and happy.

@noblegiraffe

It is really interesting to see the same lines being posted over and over by different posters.

Yep. Which is why, despite being unlikely to ever agree with them, I hold a certain respect for @bumbleymummy, who at least (unless she's posting under 64 different names ) owns her opinions.

@Thegentleman

What will happen in 5/10/15/20 years when the longer term side effects appear(there will 100% be some that we do not know about yet) Things like asbestos and smoking the effects did not get discovered for many many years. What would be the the consequences of an entire generation with a percentage having problems?

Yes indeed. That is exactly the question to ask about Covid and Long Covid.

However we do already know that it can cause organ damage, diabetes, ear and eye problems, and erectile dysfunction.

JCVI don’t recommend it on health grounds alone, that’s the one and only reason I would give my child a vaccine.
What are the direct benefits to children?

They can still catch it, transmit it, miss school if waiting for a test or infected, as can teachers/classmates which will lead to disruption.

If this gov had tried their best to keep covid out of schools I might have believed they had my child’s best interests at heart. Instead, they are simply letting it rip at the moment with no safety measures in place, shows how concerned they are about our children catching covid.

If they think my 15yr old gets to overrule me they have another thing coming. All the jabs the kids get at the moment need parental consent, what’s so special about this one? Especially considering this doesn’t affect them to the same extent as older people. They can get to fuck if they think my teenager is overruling me. Not happening. I can’t believe this government thinks that they can pit children against parents. WTAF!