To be livid with the government

[Pissofog]

They are Cowards. Dropping plans for a vaccine passport which would have kept us all safe but after some pushback from the covidiots and the useful fools who enable them in the name of “freedom”. I am so angry that once again public health is put bellow greed and the “rights” of a selfish minority to endanger themselves and others. 😡😡😡

I'm vaccinated but I don't agree with passports to be honest - it should be down to each individual establishment to decide who that want in their venues not the government.

I agree with you OP but I don’t think this thread will go well.

I suspect it's for systems reasons rather than policy.

Can those who have been administering vaccines, produce a definitive electronic record of who has had which vaccine and when, to transfer to a passport system. Probably not in a short enough time.

Cost v. benefit

If you're so righteously angry, why do you need to name change? Own it.

Ftr, I totally think the government are idiots, and agree with your summary of them, but a vaccine passport could and would only be relevant if being vaccinated stopped you from catching or transmitting the virus. Incidents of carrying the virus, or being reinfected are far too high to make them useful at all.

Its literally on the app its already in place where is the difficulty

I'm assuming it's because they haven't got the app (or whatever) working so it's better for them to say they've changed their minds than to launch another bit of shit infrastructure that has cost a fortune and doesn't work (world beating track and trace anyone?)

YABU for not putting this in the COVID section.

Vaccine passports wouldn't have "kept us all safe" - you can still transmit / catch COVID even when double jabbed (may be less likely but doesn't stop it).

There are a great many reasons to be angry with this government.

I personally don’t feel like the vaccine passports are the biggest fuck up but it does contribute to a wider picture of complete idiocy

@didireallysaythat

I'm assuming it's because they haven't got the app (or whatever) working so it's better for them to say they've changed their minds than to launch another bit of shit infrastructure that has cost a fortune and doesn't work (world beating track and trace anyone?)

But it is working.

I can see my covid pass on my NHS app and have done for weeks.

@Mintjulia

I suspect it's for systems reasons rather than policy.

Can those who have been administering vaccines, produce a definitive electronic record of who has had which vaccine and when, to transfer to a passport system. Probably not in a short enough time.

Cost v. benefit

It already exists in the NHS App! There’s nothing to be developed!! Upload passport to Wallet.

My 18 year olds just returned from Paris and says the system works really well and is really easy.

It’s madness that we’re not doing it.

But it is working.

I can see my covid pass on my NHS app and have done for weeks.

This. Mine has been on my NHS app since June and I used it to get into Wimbledon in July. I can't comment on the rest of the UK, but for England there already is a definitive electronic record of which vaccine you had and when which happily appears in the NHS app.

Re travel - will the double vaccinated now need to take covid tests to enter countries where the vaccine cert is otherwise used?

@santaslittlehohoho

YABU for not putting this in the COVID section.

Vaccine passports wouldn't have "kept us all safe" - you can still transmit / catch COVID even when double jabbed (may be less likely but doesn't stop it).

It is in the Covid section, and was when I made my comment, before yours

Have you kept an eye on the vaccination rates? 89% of the adult (16+) population have had at least one dose (80% have had 2).

Domestic vaccine passports are pointless at this point; they might have had some value earlier on in the vaccination programme but there’s little benefit at the levels of take up we’ve had.

@santaslittlehohoho

YABU for not putting this in the COVID section.

Vaccine passports wouldn't have "kept us all safe" - you can still transmit / catch COVID even when double jabbed (may be less likely but doesn't stop it).

This.

All we can do is be sensible and considerate in our behaviour whether vaxxed or unvaxxed, ie avoid mixing if feeling unwell, practice good hygiene, get our own immune systems as strong as possible to cut our own risks. But even doing all that both vaxxed and unvaxxed can still pass it, possibly even more if vaxxed as maybe less likely to have symptoms and so could unknowingly spread virus whereas an unvaxxed person may be more likely to feel unwell and so hopefully if a decent person will limit contact with others. Having a passport doesn't boost the power of the vaccines.

I fail to see what difference it makes, I've had both vaccinations and still had Covid and could pass it on, being double jabbed doesn't make you safer in fact in my opinion it makes you more dangerous because you may not even realise you have it.

The government have many mess ups , covidiot is thrown around same as selfish in these parts.

I'm glad the government have backed down.

People who give up liberty for temporary safety deserve neither.

Sorry Bluepinkyellowcakes I was busy checking my grammar & missed your post but yes that.

Vaccine passports became pointless once it became apparent that vaccines aren't stopping transmission and vaccinated are still getting and spreading the virus.

What's annoying is the time, effort and expense wasted on another flawed policy and the failure to put in other mitigation to stop Covid getting out of hand again.

I am unable to be vaccinated and very at risk, but still don't agree with passports. If you don't feel safe going out to places where covidiots are, don't go. No one has ever died because they couldn't go to a concert, cinema or other busy venue.

@FamBae

I fail to see what difference it makes, I've had both vaccinations and still had Covid and could pass it on, being double jabbed doesn't make you safer in fact in my opinion it makes you more dangerous because you may not even realise you have it.

True but misleading. Your chances of contracting and passing on the virus are greatly reduced but not zero. We don’t need zero, although it would have been nice, we don’t need it.

I think you'll find that those against passports are the majority not the minority

The vaccine passports would have been pointless. Anyone can pass covid on, vaccinated or not.

@Watapalava

I think you'll find that those against passports are the majority not the minority

So many people with vaccines still getting the virus made it unjustifiable.

Vaccine passports won't keep anyone safe. The only way that could possibly be achieved is if the vaccine stopped you from catching or transmitting the virus - which as others have posted, it doesn't.

I have no intention of getting the vaccine (although I respect other's choices). I will however conginue to be sensible and cautious as I have been since the start of the pandemic. I think this is a sensible decision for once!