To be livid with the government

[Pissofog]

They are Cowards. Dropping plans for a vaccine passport which would have kept us all safe but after some pushback from the covidiots and the useful fools who enable them in the name of “freedom”. I am so angry that once again public health is put bellow greed and the “rights” of a selfish minority to endanger themselves and others. 😡😡😡

@TheKeatingFive

Well I’m in ROI and we have a vaccine pass, but most places are barely glancing at them before letting people in. You could be waving anyone’s QR code at them.

They need to be rigorously checked to be any use. Most places CBA and therefore they need outside enforcement, which no one here seems very interested in.

It’s not just that they CBA, it would take a lot of resource to check every single one adequately.

I'm not into ID cards by the back door
I'm not into forcing adults (or children) to vaccine against if they don't want to
I'm not into barring society for those who don't want to be vaccinated

(I'm double jabbed)

@BillyJoe111

Some people won’t be happy until we have to ask permission to go to for a shit from a local committee.

Why do you want so much control over your life?

Don't be so silly.

BillyJoe111

Some people won’t be happy until we have to ask permission to go to for a shit from a local committee.

Why do you want so much control over your life?

Don't be so silly."

They aren't being silly I agree. Some people are just so obsessed with rules that they expect everyone else to engage with it. Of they don't they get called anti vaxx, conspiracy nuts, bizarrely called selfish also. Well time to get moving with life! I'm so excited.

YABU.

Keep you safe from what? Everyone is going to get it, jabbed or not. Hopefully the jab means you'll have a milder case.

I think it was a incentive to bribe the younger ones into getting vaccinated. They still want to go to clubs etc.

Totally agree OP, I thought passports were about the only sensible thing the govt was planning. Transmission is cut by approx 50 to 60 per cent if you have both vaccines so it makes massive sense in crowded places. I don't see why those who choose not to protect others and get us out of the pandemic should not be penalised for it, they want the advantages of 'freedom' but won't take the perceived risk and that is selfish. They can stay at home, not those of us who have done the right thing.

@Pissofog

I agree with you 150%
Every sane country in Europe has done it.
Fr GE it Swiss etc

I guess this is why the brexit idiotic tories want to be different.

Sane country?
If you had a look further than mainstream media you would see that France have just had their 9th mass protest in a row in over 200 towns and cities across france. Estimated attendance by the police force was 520,000 yesterday and they tend to underestimate for political reasons.
There were also protests in Canada, Austria, Italy, Amsterdam and Belgium to name but a few. Protesters genuinely worried for their freedom and bodily autonomy whilst living in their “sane” country.

Went to a West End show last week, website advised re covid app and NHS pass .
Did everything required and when we got to the theatre we weren't asked for anything, no proof of vaccine , LFT or PCR test . Many without masks .
Place was heaving , as if covid hadn't existed .

Dropping plans for a vaccine passport which would have kept us all safe

How did you work that out, op?

@Lostinacloud

Sane country? If you had a look further than mainstream media you would see that France have just had their 9th mass protest in a row in over 200 towns and cities across france. Estimated attendance by the police force was 520,000 yesterday and they tend to underestimate for political reasons. There were also protests in Canada, Austria, Italy, Amsterdam and Belgium to name but a few. Protesters genuinely worried for their freedom and bodily autonomy whilst living in their “sane” country.

I can only speak for Italy but the protests were considered to be a resounding flop as they were a few weeks ago. In one city the far-right infiltration made itself felt, as ever, with violence and racist overtones.

It makes no sense to invest so much energy into a covid passport system given the number of people who are double vaxxed and continue to contract and act as a vector for the virus and the number of easy ways to circumnavigate the gatekeeping. Honestly, I think it's just practical to knock it on the head.

‘ Vaccine passports wouldn't have "kept us all safe" - you can still transmit / catch COVID even when double jabbed (may be less likely but doesn't stop it).’

^
But it would have stopped unvaccinated people getting into concerts/ pubs/ clubs and restaurants and catching COVID potentially taking up an ICU bed in the process.
Why should people with suspected cancer/ other illnesses be made to wait due to covidiots taking up too much ICU space?

But they will catch it anyway. Making sure that they only catch it in boring places won't make it less of a burden on the NHS.

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Dropping plans for a vaccine passport which would have kept us all safe

How did you work that out, op?’

^ it’s not hard to realise the nhs impact the unvaccinated getting COVID is having on intensive care units and other hospital dealings.
People with cancer are having to wait too long for diagnostic care, people’s operations are being cancelled. Some Intensive care units have been full.
Keeping the unvaccinated out of hospital would indeed keep us all safer for many reasons.

In one city the far-right infiltration made itself felt, as ever, with violence and racist overtones

How are protests for civil liberties now seen as being the work/ business of the far right. 😨 the world has gone loopy loo. Thank god plans were dropped here. I wish all those up for stuff like this would bugger off to their own fascist island and leave the rest of us in peace.

(Doubled vaxxed btw).

I hate that Benjamin Franklin quote which previous posters CBA to attribute. That is all.

@Theunamedcat

Its literally on the app its already in place where is the difficulty

Do GPs have time to be confirming exemption for the few people who cannot have the vaccine? Is the system in place for the exemption to be officially recognised? Or would those unable to have the vaccine just be barred from places

I hate that Benjamin Franklin quote which previous posters CBA to attribute. That is all.

Whether it needs attributing is irrelevant if you think it needs it then you have misunderstood quote.

Exactly @Bizawit.

It was very interesting in France yesterday. So far every single one of the 8 previous protests had been entirely peaceful despite growing anger about being ignored and at one point the french police took off their riot helmets and walked alongside the marches just showing a passive presence because these are ordinary people, marching to keep their freedom.
Yesterday the police had clearly been instructed to insight as many protesters as they could because even before the protests started they were rough handling people as they got off the metro to check their bags, they were deliberately trying to stop peaceful crowds moving forwards on pre-planned routes and using their batons and tear gas against people walking with their hands raised in the air. The government were clearly trying to send a message and promote the idea that the protesters are far right anti vaxxers but to no avail.

@Lostinacloud

Exactly *@Bizawit*.

It was very interesting in France yesterday. So far every single one of the 8 previous protests had been entirely peaceful despite growing anger about being ignored and at one point the french police took off their riot helmets and walked alongside the marches just showing a passive presence because these are ordinary people, marching to keep their freedom.
Yesterday the police had clearly been instructed to insight as many protesters as they could because even before the protests started they were rough handling people as they got off the metro to check their bags, they were deliberately trying to stop peaceful crowds moving forwards on pre-planned routes and using their batons and tear gas against people walking with their hands raised in the air. The government were clearly trying to send a message and promote the idea that the protesters are far right anti vaxxers but to no avail.

So awful

Attributed or not, it's individualist guff.

There is no such thing as "safe". And vaccines are neither 100% effective nor 100% safe, and therefore there are no grounds for coercing people to have them.

On the one hand we complain about the Texans policing womens' bodies, yet so many MNers think it's fine to decide what other people put in their bodies "to keep them safe". No, it doesn't work like that. You take responsibility for yourself and you don't interfere with other people.

I went to a event yesterday where covid passports were required. I did not feel any less likely to catch covid though as the vaccine isn't a magic bullet, LFTs are as good as chocolate teapots; and I doubt anyone got a PCR for the occasion. All you can do is look after yourself - get vaccinated and wear a mask.

It's also worth remembering that the NHS app does not allow you to screenshot the vaccine passport page which means you have to go through several screens to get to it. Of course you can use the paper version, which is what I did, but it would soon wear out if you had to show it everywhere you went.

89% of adults in the UK are fully vaccinated (with some still to come as they are only just 18). We do not need coercion, we already have a very high vaccination rate.