Tuesday

[screwcovid]

Apparently Doris holding a press conference and this fills me with anxiety is this shit ever gonna end !!
Probably trying to persuade kids to have the vaccine i despair

I think it depends on location though. In cities I can understand it's a bad idea but I can't see a problem for offices outside of cities. Where I work we all commute by car and there's only a couple of people with school age children so it's pretty low risk.

Sadly we're in the capital city, everyone comes via tube, most have kids and loads travels internationally, it's a pit of infection for us, and has been all summer and so no, I don't want to go back to an office amidst cases raging

Ah, really? I wont be watching. My head is in the sand. I am just going to be living my life now.

Really was the worst idea in the world to get everyone back on public transport and into offices at the same time as school go back, and remove any need to isolate for those living with positive cases!

If not now, then when?

I can how you feel @marieantoinehairnet, I'd probably feel the same in those circumstances. I'd probably feel better if I had the room for a proper office but I can't switch off when everything is in the living room. I have a one bedroom flat (described by another poster as living in squalor recently!) so there's nowhere else for me to go.

@marieantoinehairnet

I'd rather wfh than a shit load of people die unnecessarily

Little bit harsh comment. I’m wfh and will carry on no matter what boris says but I understand that others might feel different to me and for their mental health might prefer to work from an office.

People are not dying because some are working from an office. People are dying because many believe that we are in 2019 where no virus is around and they catch the virus and sometimes give it to others whose immune system might not be as strong.

@BluebellsGreenbells

Really was the worst idea in the world to get everyone back on public transport and into offices at the same time as school go back, and remove any need to isolate for those living with positive cases!

If not now, then when?

Ha to quote the buffoon himself

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I can how you feel *@marieantoinehairnet*, I'd probably feel the same in those circumstances. I'd probably feel better if I had the room for a proper office but I can't switch off when everything is in the living room. I have a one bedroom flat (described by another poster as living in squalor recently!) so there's nowhere else for me to go.

At least my employer have looked out for those like you snd have had them taxi'd into the office and allowed them to use the space throughout

That's really good. To be fair I didn't ask to go in but it was never mentioned so I don't think it was as option.

It's also now time to deflect the news away from shortages and Afghanistan... the cynic in me thinks

marieantoinehairnet

No, I was serious.

Where I live we’ve had no restrictions at all for months, no masks, no restrictions on gatherings, no social distancing, schools fully back to normal, no bubbles, assemblies full on.

Boarders are open fully vaccinated can come and go, only restrictions on non vaccinate getting PCR tests day 1 and day 6, only 24 hour isolation after day 1 test. Unless positive. No barriers to going in clubs or pubs no LFT required but can if you want to. No masks on busses, but some elderly choose to wear them.

Schools suggest LFT twice a week but not mandatory. Work places are slightly different as each has its own policies. I.E positive case at home then WFH.

Cases haven’t surged. There have been a few large gatherings for festivals etc, town is busy as usual.

3 teens in 3 different schools, odd one or two friends have had covid via LFT and had 10 days subbing themselves in the garden, none have been unwell.

DD bf was here last week and his sibling has covid at home, mum still went to work at the hospital.

I really don’t see how we can keep hiding away, like someone said recently on TV it’s better we get a whiff of the virus in a low dose to allow natural immunity to form.

I do think it’s the right thing to do.

There won’t be any further lockdowns- everyone like to imply that wfh means only that they sit at home, the millions of businesses and incomes that only survive on people being in offices is immense and tragic what they’ve dealt with.
I do hope the need for booster jabs takes the spotlight off the idea of vaccinating young children unnecessarily.

Why on earth would you despair if kids are told they can have the vaccine?! My 5 year old will be first in the queue if he's offered it, just as he is for his flu jab and other childhood vaccinations.

@Thesandmanishere

Why on earth would you despair if kids are told they can have the vaccine?! My 5 year old will be first in the queue if he's offered it, just as he is for his flu jab and other childhood vaccinations.

My children are currently vaccinated for their own health not to benefit adults. The risk of covid to young children is minuscule. Surely the u-turn on AstraZeneca for under 40s, and the menstrual cycle changes many women are reporting after being vaccinated highlights the unknowns about these vaccines. No way would I inject my prepubescent daughters!

Covid is a greater risk to the adult population who should get vaccinated but in children the risk just isn’t proportionate. Equally the reason Israel needs another jab is because they never achieved some natural immunity- the highest protected group is proving to be those who had covid and recovered who were also vaccinated. In turn it’s prob best not to vaccinate such young children, let them gain some immunity and vaccinate them when older.

Well we need a winter plan or the NHS will crumble due to the combo of flu, Covid, staff shortages (burn out and Brexit), supply issues and a huge waiting list to catch up on (ignoring illnesses for 18 months=more severe illnesses). In my area you cannot even get a routine blood test at the moment as they don’t have the bottles.
But it shouldn’t be rocket science. Encourage all over 50s to get both flu and Covid booster jab (if it is save, what is the harm) and take vitamins and stay healthy. Encourage all young people to stay healthy physically and mentally. If the government were actually honest with us about the state of our health service maybe people would take more responsibility for their own health by looking after themselves and keeping fit, drinking less etc. Don’t let yourself become run down because this virus can get you even if double jabbed etc.
They can’t close schools again - mental and physical health and life opportunities of the younger generation are too affected already. They essentially need to focus on young and the working now to keep the economy going but be honest with everyone about the state of the nhs. We do need to protect the nhs by looking after ourselves and getting jabbed!

@Sunnyfreezesushi

Well we need a winter plan or the NHS will crumble due to the combo of flu, Covid, staff shortages (burn out and Brexit), supply issues and a huge waiting list to catch up on (ignoring illnesses for 18 months=more severe illnesses). In my area you cannot even get a routine blood test at the moment as they don’t have the bottles. But it shouldn’t be rocket science. Encourage all over 50s to get both flu and Covid booster jab (if it is save, what is the harm) and take vitamins and stay healthy. Encourage all young people to stay healthy physically and mentally. If the government were actually honest with us about the state of our health service maybe people would take more responsibility for their own health by looking after themselves and keeping fit, drinking less etc. Don’t let yourself become run down because this virus can get you even if double jabbed etc. They can’t close schools again - mental and physical health and life opportunities of the younger generation are too affected already. They essentially need to focus on young and the working now to keep the economy going but be honest with everyone about the state of the nhs. We do need to protect the nhs by looking after ourselves and getting jabbed!

Yep makes sense- over 65s booster jab and flu jabs for as many as possible.

@Sunnyfreezesushi the kids aren’t alright after 18 months of lockdowns/restrictions and uncertainty. Literally nobody I know feels physically and mentally fully healthy and we’re all run down. I think the horse has already bolted on this one.

I see what you’re saying - I’m building a home gym so I can do my best to stay physically fit, but I’m limited on space and resources and it won’t give me the social contact going to the gym, seeing my coach etc does if there is another lockdown.

We don’t need the government to tell us how bad the health service is. We know. I was a NHS locum professional last year, through 2 of the 3 lockdowns. Everybody knows it’s crumbling, but why should we have to “protect” an organisation that’s been shafted by consecutive governments, underfunded, bloated with overpaid bureaucrats (it is in many places) and you can’t get decisions made and changes happening that would actually benefit patients because it has to go through so many levels of pen pushers. They redeployed quite a lot of the NHS direct employed mental health staff in the trust I was mostly in to Track and Trace and other Covid related roles and relied on expensive locums and outsourcing to meet the mental health demand.

I now do more NHS work in a private service than I ever did while actually working for them. Tells you something about where the money’s going. It’s a shit show. Of course, that’s not the fault of the people working in it, but it needs a massive overhaul, it doesn’t need rainbows in windows, clapping or glib rhetoric about “protect the NHS”. All the staying home in the world won’t fix that shite.

It's the winter plan. (At least we have one this time!) and as I understand it, the primary purpose is to avoid a winter lockdown. So it's things like if the cases get to a certain level then masks back on in certain settings, social distancing etc, with the aim avoiding a lock down. It'll likely also be the introduction of vaccine passports at large events, booster jabs for those that need them and maybe even the offer of vaccines to over 12's. Its certainly not the announcement of another lockdown now.

Covid is a greater risk to the adult population who should get vaccinated but in children the risk just isn’t proportionate

It is a standard vaccine, not some random made up experimental drug. Personally I'm a lot more concerned about the long term impact on my DS of an illness we know very little about, but each to their own.

In any case no one is going to force you to vaccinate your children if you don't want to, so I really don't get the huffing and puffing about it.

I home educate my DS anyway (nowt to do with covid) but if I didn't, I wouldn't be happy about sending him back to school given the rules are under 18s no longer need to self isolate if they live with a positive case.

@Thesandmanishere

Covid is a greater risk to the adult population who should get vaccinated but in children the risk just isn’t proportionate

It is a standard vaccine, not some random made up experimental drug. Personally I'm a lot more concerned about the long term impact on my DS of an illness we know very little about, but each to their own.

In any case no one is going to force you to vaccinate your children if you don't want to, so I really don't get the huffing and puffing about it.

Really no ones going to make me? Look at the restrictions they will put on adults, of course they nudge closer and closer to compulsory in everything but name only. Also the vaccine does have side effects- like most do- do you not believe women have had messed up periods after the vaccine?

@Thesandmanishere

I home educate my DS anyway (nowt to do with covid) but if I didn't, I wouldn't be happy about sending him back to school given the rules are under 18s no longer need to self isolate if they live with a positive case.

Would u be happier having had 3 years of messed up to little education?

The news this morning says he intends to repeal parts of the coronavirus act including restricting peoples movement and shutting down the economy. So no doubt a lockdown is on the cards. Masks may come back indoors for winter that's hardly a big ask. WFH I am due to start back in the office in October after 18 months in my conservatory. Not one day in the office. I will still use a mask on public transport but if WFH is insisted upon I think I may even consider changing career.

Really no ones going to make me? Look at the restrictions they will put on adults, of course they nudge closer and closer to compulsory in everything but name only.
Also the vaccine does have side effects- like most do- do you not believe women have had messed up periods after the vaccine?

Oh give over. Do you get asked if you've had the vaccine when you enter a shop? When you use public transport? When you enter a restaurant? Do they insist you must be vaccinated or your children can't attend school?

I have no opinion one way or the other on the period thing, as I haven't seen any data other than anecdata. My periods have personally been as regular as they ever were since my pfizer vaccines, and I would still rather have irregular periods than unvaxxed covid, personally.

Honestly the oppression Olympics is getting embarrassing. My Dad came here as a child refugee, the product of an actual dictatorship where people were shot in the streets for breaking curfew. Hearing people whine about the unvaccinated being oppressed is just painful.

Would u be happier having had 3 years of messed up to little education?

He's had that in the same way as any schooled child has, as none of our regular home ed groups and classes ran during lockdown.

The homeschooling did as a product of lockdown is nothing like actual home ed.