BMJ: Teachers not at greater risk of hosp'n, and lower risk of severe disease, than general population

[Kokeshi123]

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2060?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage

Unlike previous studies, this one actually looked at periods when schools were open and compared like-with-like for those periods.

Compared with adults of working age who are otherwise similar, teachers and their household members were not found to be at increased risk of hospital admission with covid-19 and were found to be at lower risk of severe covid-19. These findings should reassure those who are engaged in face-to-face teaching.

This should not be taken to mean that we should do schooling with no mitigations whatsoever--I'd be in favor of doing indoor masks for kids and teachers till the winter is over if it was up to me, and ventilation is always a good thing anyway. However, at least this should provide some reassurance for teachers and families. And in my opinion, this kind of thing should settle the argument on having any further school closures; mitigations are one thing, but schools absolutely must remain open IMO.

"if they do it will be because of the incompetence of the government and the groups such as us4them that have the governments ear, not teachers or unions"

This.

Looks like Us4Them is still around with the stirring stick.

To quote John Cleese - "Dreadful people!"

Doesn't read as rambling shit to me. Makes perfect sense.

Plus, it's a bit rude to accuse someone of being drunk, just because you can't understand something.

@CallmeHendricks

Doesn't read as rambling shit to me. Makes perfect sense.

I see you didn't read what I posted either because if you did you would see the reply doesn't make sense in the context of what I said. That's why it is rambling and answering someone else.

These threads are quite pointless really. I've read loads but seldom comment since the usual posters banging on over the same stuff.

Fine. Whatever.
Have a nice day.

@CallmeHendricks

Fine. Whatever. Have a nice day.

Thank you. You too.

[quote Backofbeyond50]@lightattheendofthetunnel2021 where do you get the figure of 24 from please?[/quote]
"In a series of preprints published on medRxiv1–3, a team of researchers picked through all hospital admissions and deaths reported for people younger than 18 in England. The studies found that COVID-19 caused 25 deaths in that age group between March 2020 and February 2021." www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897

That was up until February 2021, but mortality was greater in the first wave. Looking on here (from the start of the pandemic) understand deaths in the 0-14 group is 24, but that is without the 'nit picking' as referred to in the above Nature article: coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England

So as you say @lightattheendofthetunnel2021 at least 25 not 24.

@Backofbeyond50

So as you say *@lightattheendofthetunnel2021* at least 25 not 24.

24, 25, 30, 50 - not to sound crass, but these are astonishingly low numbers. Had a quick scan and it looks like 3 under 14s have died since January 2021. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

MyLeftFootVMyRightFoot

So can't argue the point throws insults. Just shows who you are.

As I said

You do you

@AfternoonToffee

Why are posters still trying to claim that the unions never called for schools to be closed and it is just some smear campaign by the press?

This is an October press release from (one of) the union:

neu.org.uk/press-releases/close-schools-national-lockdown

I am expressing no opinion on the lockdowns and what happened to schools, but it is a fact that unions did make calls at a various times for schools to be closed / circuit breakers (to the majority of pupils).

Just checked this thread for the first time in a couple of days, can’t believe people are still claiming this. It’s so bizarre.

We didn't you twisted the subject

Bizarre indeed

@herecomesthsun

We didn't you twisted the subject

Bizarre indeed

Ah ok, glad to hear it.

I did say however that
-teachers as a group did not want schools closed and
-the unions were predominantly looking for safer schools,

• particularly looking back to last September

Come last January even Boris Johnson was eventually in favour of closing schools.

teachers as a group did not want schools closed

My understanding is that the union is there to represent/ speak for teachers as a body/ collective. Of course that doesn’t mean there aren’t teachers with different views.

Telling teachers that they wanted schools closed when they’d said nothing of the sort was a favourite way of trying to shut down discussions of mitigation measures before Christmas.

It got so ridiculous I even made it a thread title to try to get it into people’s thick heads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4095400-noblegiraffe-wants-SAFER-schools-not-closed-schools-Do-you

Talking about ‘the teaching unions’ as one homogenous mass is quite irritating too, my union, the NASUWT, has taken quite a different approach to the NEU.

It’s astonishing that some posters seem utterly obsessed with teaching unions and what they did and didn’t do in a way they aren’t with other professional bodies.

Thanks for the nice posts, herecomes, they’re quite the antidote to what has been persistent twattery for an awfully long time now.

My understanding is that the union is there to represent/ speak for teachers as a body/ collective. Of course that doesn’t mean there aren’t teachers with different views

They represent the views of their members, not teachers as a body.

@echt

My understanding is that the union is there to represent/ speak for teachers as a body/ collective. Of course that doesn’t mean there aren’t teachers with different views

They represent the views of their members, not teachers as a body.

Yes fair. So they represent the views of the teachers who were their members. Admittedly I have no idea what proportion of teachers that is.

But my claim was never intended to be “all teachers” it was only “some teachers”. It was in response to a pp who said “no teachers wanted schools to close”.

So I just looked it up and - as I thought - apparently the NEU is the largest teaching body compromising the “majority” of teachers. So I’ll continue to take them as a more reliable source on teachers’ position “as a collective” than individual posters on mumsnet.

*largest teaching union, sorry

Well,if you say"NEU" instead of "teachers" fine.

We were discussing the threads on here about teachers' opinions, earlier, which is a different topic.

@herecomesthsun

Well,if you say"NEU" instead of "teachers" fine.

We were discussing the threads on here about teachers' opinions, earlier, which is a different topic.

@herecomesthsun fgs this is absolutely exhausting. The NEU is a body comprised of teachers representing the majority of teachers. A pp said “no teachers wanted schools to close.” I responded the union was lobbying/ advocating for schools to close. This was a relevant and accurate comment.