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Wellbythebloodyhell · 2021-09-03T15:06:09+00:00

[[http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-will-not-be-recommended-for-healthy-children-aged-12-to-15-government-advisers-say-12398444]] Is anyone else glad this potential decision has been taken away? I was very much undecided about vaccinating my older dc and now feel a bit of a weight has been lifted now its not something I need to consider.

noblegiraffe · 03/09/2021 17:41

Yes bumbley but it is incorrect to say that the benefits don't outweigh the risks, they just didn't think by enough to recommend it.

UrgentHelpforFriend · 03/09/2021 17:42

I have don't the whole approach to schools very strange, either they are concerned about covid or they are not

It feels very much like the foot is off the pedal totally and its all fine.

Which is it.

MrsLCSofLichfield · 03/09/2021 17:42

Pay privately when you can, then. The usual shitshow.

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2021 17:43

@Nancydrawn

I wrote a lot of stats on a thread last night that got deleted as started by a troll, but:

Delta is different. Delta in classrooms is different.

I'm in the States, and southern states' schools have been in session since the beginning of August.

Pediatric covid cases are through the roof, and this is despite a healthy minority of 12-17 year olds having had the vaccine.

--Pediatric ICUs are full in many states and big cities.

--In Florida, there have been almost 64,000 cases of Covid in children under 12. 68 children per day are being hospitalized. That's the equivalent of about 206 per week in the UK.

--In Alabama, school-aged cases have doubled in less than a week. (It's worth noting that testing is very low as it's can be expensive over here.) In the UK, the equivalent would be 210,600 school children in two weeks.

---In Georgia, there's a tenfold increase in pediatric/school-aged cases than in August 2020.

I have hopes that the numbers will be better back home than over here, as the UK has better rates of vaccination amongst adults. But I should also say that the numbers above include up to 20% of 12-17s being vaccinated.

Iirc JCVI were including o/s data to inform decision?

On pp and ‘buck passing’ I don’t agree with this - it’s decided against their remit which is the right thing to do.

I’m not really for or against vaccinating 12 - 15 but do think JCVI have made good decisions (even if different to o/s) and still CMOs might decide differently.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 03/09/2021 17:43

Well then I guess we will have to accept that lots more people young and old are going to get Covid in the next few months. This will mean disruption due to teachers catching it and isolating, kids catching it and isolating and parents having to be off work with kids isolating. Added to the mix will be an increase in colds and bugs that we mostly escaped last year due. Buckle up folks it's going to be a long winter 🥶

LookdeepintotheParka · 03/09/2021 17:43

Not hugely surprised as they were revving us up for this decision by releasing the study of numbers of children with long Covid a few days ago. This turns out to be fewer than anticipated hence no mass vaccination for this age group (not the whole story I know)

My DD is 14 and disabled and she was vaccinated a week ago. It was a no brainer for us given her risk but I know would have been a tough decision for other parents with children in this age group.

TableFlowerss · 03/09/2021 17:44

I don’t get how so many people can’t understand the term ‘risk assessment’

80 year old catching covid could have serious consequences and they could die = Vaccine is always the best option.

A 14 year old catching covid, about a 1 in a million chance of dying, dude affects of vaccine more likely to cause problems =
Vaccine not the best option.

What part of that is so difficult to grasp? The younger you are the less impact covid will have on you. Dick of hearing about long covid. I don’t a single person that’s had it and and virus can linger and cause extreme fatigue etc…

The only reason kids would be made to have it is to save the elderly and vulnerable and not the actual children. That’s not on!

ConstanceFloss · 03/09/2021 17:44

Would parents really decide to vaccinate when the scientific consensus is that the risks of the vaccine don’t outweigh the benefits to a healthy child, purely to avoid disrupted learning?

Exactly.

TableFlowerss · 03/09/2021 17:44

sick 😱

GiveMeNovocain · 03/09/2021 17:47

@TableFlowerss

I don’t get how so many people can’t understand the term ‘risk assessment’

80 year old catching covid could have serious consequences and they could die = Vaccine is always the best option.

A 14 year old catching covid, about a 1 in a million chance of dying, dude affects of vaccine more likely to cause problems =
Vaccine not the best option.

What part of that is so difficult to grasp? The younger you are the less impact covid will have on you. Dick of hearing about long covid. I don’t a single person that’s had it and and virus can linger and cause extreme fatigue etc…

The only reason kids would be made to have it is to save the elderly and vulnerable and not the actual children. That’s not on!

Oh stop it with your facts. (I think risk assessment is a long forgotten art)

RocioMartinez · 03/09/2021 17:47

Very frustrating - today it was also announced that the UK is sending Pfizer vaccines to Australia so that they can start to roll out the 12-15 vaccination programme. Unbelievable. Personally I would like to have the choice.

It will be interesting to see how this affects travel to other countries, particularly EU countries, which have been vaccinating their 12-15 year olds before the start of term. Wonder what will happen when vaccination becomes a requirement for over-12s to travel - presumably just another expense for those that can afford to get it done privately.

GiveMeNovocain · 03/09/2021 17:48

@SilverGlitterBaubles

Well then I guess we will have to accept that lots more people young and old are going to get Covid in the next few months. This will mean disruption due to teachers catching it and isolating, kids catching it and isolating and parents having to be off work with kids isolating. Added to the mix will be an increase in colds and bugs that we mostly escaped last year due. Buckle up folks it's going to be a long winter 🥶

Won't the old be vaccinated? I was months ago.

noblegiraffe · 03/09/2021 17:49

Would parents really decide to vaccinate when the scientific consensus is that the risks of the vaccine don’t outweigh the benefits to a healthy child, purely to avoid disrupted learning?

But they agreed that the health benefits do outweigh the risks, and if you're in Y11 and don't want to fuck up your exams, then avoiding disrupted learning might be quite important to you?

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 03/09/2021 17:49

It's how you see what the disruption to education is, really. It's not just by being ill, also I need to consider long covid as a parent. Risk of long covid increases with age. So older the children is, more risk, and especially when they are at exam age, etc, the lost time would be detrimental.

This ^ DH had glandular fever as a child and missed about 4 months of school, I think he only caught up because of the efforts of his private school.

I don't understand this decision actually. If the MRHA has approved it, what is the issue? Parents who don't want to have their kids vaccinated can opt out. Is it because roll out would be complicated?

My DD (15) wants to have the vaccine because she has seen the effects of long covid on a close relative.

OnTheBrink1 · 03/09/2021 17:50

Scientist have currently determined that
The benefits DONT out weight the risks in healthy children. DONT outweigh. Why on Earth would you what to put your health child in the greater risk category??
Long covid has been now shown to be less likely than previously thought in children too.
And for those saying ‘let us have the choice’ that’s all very well but in reality that’s just not the case. If vaxx for kids is an option then as with adults a 2 tier society will emerge and before you know it, unvaxxed kids will be excluded. It just doesn’t work with let us have the choice!

shouldistop · 03/09/2021 17:51

I think morally vaccines should be given to older people in other countries before healthy children are vaccinated.

TableFlowerss · 03/09/2021 17:52

Oh stop it with your facts. (I think risk assessment is a long forgotten art

@GiveMeNovocain

Because you make sense……

AllTheSingleLadiess · 03/09/2021 17:52

@Thislittlefinger123

What is the argument in favour of vaccinating 12-15 year olds? If it doesn't reduce transmission, and that age group don't get very sick with it statistically than what different would it make to schools now that there's no such thing as close contacts isolating?

Vaccines reduce transmission (not to zero but definitely slows transmission )

12-15 year olds have to attend school
In overcrowded and poorly ventilated schools (no windows in some classrooms) and move around each lessons

Pics 1 and 3 are COVID secure because of the masks and one way system which are being abolished from this term.

PicsInRed · 03/09/2021 17:54

We already mass vaccinate children against flu in schools to protect the elderly/vulnerable/NHS. We do this every single year.

noblegiraffe · 03/09/2021 17:54

Scientist have currently determined that The benefits DONT out weight the risks in healthy children. DONT outweigh.

That's not what they said.

sashagabadon · 03/09/2021 17:54

I don’t actually buy the argument it makes overseas travel for families potentially more difficult. I think it makes it easier. Look how much easier travel was last summer, no need for vaccine passports, required tests at great expense, hotel quarantine etc. They didn’t exist so no one could ask you for them.
If you can have a thing ( like a vaccine) , then someone will ask you for proof of it or insist you do it.
If you can’t have something ( like vaccine) then no one will expect it from you.

TableFlowerss · 03/09/2021 17:55

@PicsInRed

We already mass vaccinate children against flu in schools to protect the elderly/vulnerable/NHS. We do this every single year.

The difference is that it’s the younger children that get vaccinated not the 12-15 year olds.

Flu can cause more problems in young children than covid is my understanding.

MrsLCSofLichfield · 03/09/2021 17:55

@sashagabadon - they can just refuse to let you into their country. Job done.

noblegiraffe · 03/09/2021 17:57

Long covid has been now shown to be less likely than previously thought in children too.

Really interesting to see this headline being repeated. It wasn't really a reassuring story they said what was previously thought was 50% of kids got long covid but actually it was 1 in 7.

1 in 7 isn't reassuring (although the study wasn't great, but if you're going to tout it, you ought to own the figures).

ACreakingGateNeverStops · 03/09/2021 17:57

@TableFlowerss

I don’t get how so many people can’t understand the term ‘risk assessment’

80 year old catching covid could have serious consequences and they could die = Vaccine is always the best option.

A 14 year old catching covid, about a 1 in a million chance of dying, dude affects of vaccine more likely to cause problems =
Vaccine not the best option.

What part of that is so difficult to grasp? The younger you are the less impact covid will have on you. Dick of hearing about long covid. I don’t a single person that’s had it and and virus can linger and cause extreme fatigue etc…

The only reason kids would be made to have it is to save the elderly and vulnerable and not the actual children. That’s not on!

Completely agree. I for one am happy about the decision.