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No vaccines for healthy 12-15 Yr olds

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Wellbythebloodyhell · 03/09/2021 16:06

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-will-not-be-recommended-for-healthy-children-aged-12-to-15-government-advisers-say-12398444

Is anyone else glad this potential decision has been taken away? I was very much undecided about vaccinating my older dc and now feel a bit of a weight has been lifted now its not something I need to consider.

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Nerdygirl · 03/09/2021 17:57

@PicsInRed

We already mass vaccinate children against flu in schools to protect the elderly/vulnerable/NHS. We do this every single year.
I think you will find it’s actually because children can get quite ill from the flu
sashagabadon · 03/09/2021 17:57

[quote MrsLCSofLichfield]@sashagabadon - they can just refuse to let you into their country. Job done.[/quote]
They could. I bet most won’t and ones that do will probably reverse ferret very quickly.

soapboxqueen · 03/09/2021 17:58

The seasonal flu vaccine includes an older age group every year so this year will include 12 year olds and a few 13 year olds.

noblegiraffe · 03/09/2021 17:58

The difference is that it’s the younger children that get vaccinated not the 12-15 year olds.

Nope, this year the flu vaccination programme will be for kids up to 16.

sashagabadon · 03/09/2021 17:59

@PicsInRed

We already mass vaccinate children against flu in schools to protect the elderly/vulnerable/NHS. We do this every single year.
12-15 aren’t vaccinated against flu. I think younger ones do. My kids have never had flu vaccines
soapboxqueen · 03/09/2021 18:00

@noblegiraffe

The difference is that it’s the younger children that get vaccinated not the 12-15 year olds.

Nope, this year the flu vaccination programme will be for kids up to 16.

Is it upto 16 now?

I know the age group has increased every year for the nasal spray and my ds has always been in the oldest group so 12/13.

It's good if they can all have it.

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2021 18:01

I think you will find it’s actually because children can get quite ill from the flu

An important factor surely if so

TableFlowerss · 03/09/2021 18:02

@noblegiraffe

The difference is that it’s the younger children that get vaccinated not the 12-15 year olds.

Nope, this year the flu vaccination programme will be for kids up to 16.

Perhaps is it is but it’s not normally.

The fact kids have been shielded away from the general bugs and germs will mean this year will likely be rife with flu, so I’m not surprised this year will be different. Again Flu is more harmful to children it woks seem so stands to reason.

theDudesmummy · 03/09/2021 18:02

In Ireland we are vaccinating 12 to 15. My 12yo had his first Pfizer last week. Very happy about that.

PicsInRed · 03/09/2021 18:02

12-15 aren’t vaccinated against flu. I think younger ones do. My kids have never had flu vaccines

Yes...but it is mass vaccination of healthy children for the protection of others.

My point is, without a value judgement, that we already do this and have done for some years.

Nerdygirl · 03/09/2021 18:02

“ Flu can be an extremely unpleasant illness in children, with those under the age of 5 being more likely to be hospitalised due to flu than any other age group. Vaccinating children helps protect them in the first instance, so that they can stay in school and parents don’t have to take time off work to look after them. It also stops them from passing on flu to older relatives and other vulnerable groups, who can suffer from the complications of flu.”

From government site . So the reason we vaccinate the children is because there is also a benefit to them because of the risk of flu . This is not the same for covid . We as adults should not be selfish and ask them to do this

Howshouldibehave · 03/09/2021 18:02

12-15 aren’t vaccinated against flu

No vaccines for healthy 12-15 Yr olds
JS87 · 03/09/2021 18:04

I think if the vaccine was more effective against symptomatic delta and transmission there would be a greater argument for vaccinating them. As it is I don’t think it’s worth it. They don’t get seriously ill with covid and the vaccine is probably only going to stop half of them getting covid. There isn’t any evidence really either way as to whether it prevents that many cases of long covid. They were talking on radio 4 about how data coming out of the US is showing signs of heart damage on scans of children suffering myocarditis after vaccines so they want to wait and see how long term that damage is. I don’t know whether myocarditis as a result of covid happens in children or older ages.

Sadless · 03/09/2021 18:05

My 13 year old son didn't want it anyway and I would have let him make the decision if to have it or not. He says he would rather take his chances with covid then the vaccine and it wouldn't stop him catching it and bringing it home anyway.

Sal

sashagabadon · 03/09/2021 18:06

@Howshouldibehave

12-15 aren’t vaccinated against flu
That’s just this year though. Not normally. My kids have never ever been offered the flu jab in many years of schooling. Looks like one will get offered this year then. Which is fine as he could catch flu and be ill.
Tanfastic · 03/09/2021 18:07

@ILookAtTheFloor

It makes total sense when we know that the vaccines are limited in preventing infection or transmission.

Vaccinating children wouldn't be for their benefit.

I'm very pro vaccines by the way, and I know they're excellent at preventing hospitalisation and death.

Totally agree with this.

Yerzplz · 03/09/2021 18:07

All the scientists on here, who follow the science till the science is not the science they want. Anti vaxxers don’t follow the science of the scientists, but provaxxers don’t follow the science either when the science says no.

Piggywaspushed · 03/09/2021 18:10

@Nerdygirl

“ Flu can be an extremely unpleasant illness in children, with those under the age of 5 being more likely to be hospitalised due to flu than any other age group. Vaccinating children helps protect them in the first instance, so that they can stay in school and parents don’t have to take time off work to look after them. It also stops them from passing on flu to older relatives and other vulnerable groups, who can suffer from the complications of flu.”

From government site . So the reason we vaccinate the children is because there is also a benefit to them because of the risk of flu . This is not the same for covid . We as adults should not be selfish and ask them to do this

This is exactly the same as what they would write if they had something about a covid vaccine on their website.(minus the first bit of the first sentence).

We also immunise children against rubella to protect pregnant women. One other example.

noblegiraffe · 03/09/2021 18:11

The science actually said 'yes'.

PicsInRed · 03/09/2021 18:12

I think you will find it’s actually because children can get quite ill from the flu

Vulnerable children are specifically targeted for flu vaccination, however the general mass vaccination is for the protection of the community, per campaigns prior to covid.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41111834

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46635782

Hopefully parents will be allowed to choose to vaccinate our children.

walksen · 03/09/2021 18:12

"I don’t get how so many people can’t understand the term ‘risk assessment’"

It seems to me a lot of people go on about risk assessments like they are the only ones that can do them. In reality this differs as people dismiss or minimise risks. Think of the anti vaxxers here and America on their 30 's and 40's because of the young people aren't at risk narrative.

The science is no different here than it is in Ireland Europe isreal etc the US etc which is the data jcvi rely on. Plenty of stats show myocarditis is more likely from natural infection than vaccines albeit still rare.

Do we really think that the jcvi and better at risk assessing than all these other countries and it is a "lost art" there too?

The benefits of vaccines increase as incidence of disease increases and it's pretty high here now and will be for a few months yet.

And it is a bit strange how before we even had vaccines it was decided to send kids back and put cev kids and relations, bus drivers, school staff etc at risk because the risk to them was worth it because of damage to kids education but now it's not important and can't be considered but they can comment that immunising in schools will take time from lessons. It is quite likely that most kids will have to isolate over the next academic year for at least 10 days. Staff may go off for weeks at a time.

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2021 18:13

The margin isn’t great enough for it to be yes.

Whether people choose to go ahead if CMO decide differently- maybe or not

MrsLCSofLichfield · 03/09/2021 18:13

@Piggywaspushed - I know! It's almost like...like we all have to live together in...like, society.

Piggywaspushed · 03/09/2021 18:14

Well... we know what Maggie T said about society....

Angel2702 · 03/09/2021 18:15

No I would rather have had the choice. 3 cases already in our secondary school on day 2. Year 11 is shaping up to be as disruptive as year 10 and 9.

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