No vaccines for healthy 12-15 Yr olds

[Wellbythebloodyhell]

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-will-not-be-recommended-for-healthy-children-aged-12-to-15-government-advisers-say-12398444

Is anyone else glad this potential decision has been taken away? I was very much undecided about vaccinating my older dc and now feel a bit of a weight has been lifted now its not something I need to consider.

@Mynameismargot What’s your solution? Carry on with masks etc forever or learn to live with Covid. It’s endemic. Teachers should be double vaccinated by now. If they do get it, we’ve been told it will be a milder disease

Ah, now I see why you misrepresented the JCVI, Roguehair

[quote Roguehair]@Mynameismargot What’s your solution? Carry on with masks etc forever or learn to live with Covid. It’s endemic. Teachers should be double vaccinated by now. If they do get it, we’ve been told it will be a milder disease[/quote]
Well the solution where I live is to vaccinate the 12+ age groups and if you test positive you stay off school.

"The JCVI ruled on the individual risk/health of the child only."

But they also argue that...

"Children and young people aged 12 years and over who are household contacts of persons (adults or children) who are immunosuppressed should be offered 2 doses of Pfizer-BNT162b2 vaccine on the understanding that the main benefits from vaccination are related to the potential for indirect protection of their household contact who is immunosuppressed"

[quote illuyankas]@bumbleymummy Please stop using JCVI for your reasoning? It's really irritating when you don't even think it's relevant and disregard their advice for you to get vaccinated. Pick and choose things to suit your agenda looks really false and insincere.

And before you say I am being the same for getting vaccinated and not happy with what they are saying about 12+, I didn't get vaccinated because of the recommendation, I got vaccinated because I wanted to, nothing to do with them.[/quote]
The JCVI’s decision had nothing to do with my reasoning either. I’d already made my decision based on the studies I read over the last year irt the risk of coronavirus in children.

I do think it’s strange that people here will follow their recommendations irt having the vaccine as adults but think they are wrong about the decision for children. I think that’s more of a case of ‘picking and choosing to suit your agenda’.

Right decision imo, my child wouldn't have it anyway.

Those LC studies published recently doesn't even take it into account the delta variant, since the studies are done from Sept last year to March this year or something.
So, I do hope it won't turn out to be the worst case scenario but if it did, at least I hope we can blame someone for wrong choice, and they take responsibility for it for not taking good care of school aged children.
That really include someone like you, bumbleymummy, who keep saying things against parents' concern about covid, and minimizing risk of covid and spreading misinformation against vaccination.

I do think it’s strange that people here will follow their recommendations irt having the vaccine as adults but think they are wrong about the decision for children.

They are not following the recommendation, they get vaccinated because they want to, at least most people do, I think, including me.
You are great at twisting the narrative, but it really doesn't work. Because your antivax agenda is crystal clear, however you try to sound real and sincere.

Sensible decision from the JCVI imho.

Though I agree, parents should be given the choice if they really want it.

@noblegiraffe The JCVI said that while the health gains from vaccinating the entire age group were greater than the risks, “the margin of benefit is considered too small to support universal vaccination of healthy 12- to 15-year-olds at this time”. Literally that. I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I am in fact double jabbed. I weighed up the risk/benefit ratio beforehand. If my 15yr old had an underlying health condition then the benefit would outweigh the risk and she would get the vaccine. As it happens, she’s healthy, so really doesn’t need the vaccine.

I’m so happy about this decision and hope it can’t be overruled.
There really doesn’t need to be disruption to education as the alternative. How about all kids go back to school as normal and at some point during the year, some of them might catch a cold/covid. All worried adults they might come into contact with have been vaccinated for their own protection and home tests still exist for teens to test themselves for covid if they need to be careful around immunocompromised friends or relatives - voila - the fear ends, the world keeps turning and our poor kids get to have their uninterrupted education at a vanishingly low risk to their own personal health.

Looks like JCVI dismissed long covid in kids as no more than other ailments presumably flu and colds

"The JCVI discussed the potential risk of long Covid in children – the fatigue and other debilitating symptoms that can persist for months – but concluded that while some children did have continuing symptoms, the issue was less common than in adults. Moreover, it believes the impact of the symptoms may be no worse than those seen in children who have not actually had Covid, but experience the same ailments. "

"I’m so happy about this decision and hope it can’t be overruled."

Would not bet on that as CMO's have been asked to review taking into account wider considerations.

Lostincloud

Totally agree

Yes, Roguehair, they also said "JCVI has considered commentary from stakeholders on the benefits of vaccination on the operation of schools and the educational impact of the pandemic on children and young people. JCVI is constituted with expertise to allow consideration of the health benefits and risks of vaccination and it is not within its remit to incorporate in-depth considerations on wider societal impacts, including educational benefits. The government may wish to seek further views on the wider societal and educational impacts from the chief medical officers of the 4 nations, with representation from JCVI in these subsequent discussions."

So there may also be educational benefits to children which the JCVI have said that they are not qualified to quantify.

They also hand the reins to Chris Whitty on the final decision for rolling out the vaccine.

I'm not sure what expertise they think that he has that they don't, given that it is literally their job to analyse the benefits of vaccines to society, and it's all a bit weird.

"I'm not sure what expertise they think that he has that they don't, given that it is literally their job to analyse the benefits of vaccines to society, and it's all a bit weird."

That would be medical benefits. Chris witty has to take into account other factors - such as things Boris wants him to say....

I’m so happy about this decision and hope it can’t be overruled

Well, going on the last 18 months, I really wouldn’t hold your breath!

walksen

It will be over ruled i'm sure but parental confidence will be reduced i imagine now its pretty much been announced that kids personally wont benefit

and they won't

Isolations are gone and it was isolations - not cases- which caused disruption

Kids are almost always asymptomatic - majority of parents (except mumnet) wont do the 2x weekly tests so good look finding these cases!

Its estimated over half of kids have had it and are immune so this theory that 20+ people in a class will test positive is bullshit!

I wouldn't test my kids and result in them isolating for 10 days when all their teachers are double vax

there are no educational benefits

Teachers and kids have been exposed all year!
Isolations are gone so how will all this proposed disruption happen? with teachers vaccinated - most will only get ill once with it so even if it goes around, it wont be even a tiny % of the disruption theyve faced

Clearly they are going to overrule it but then what is the point of the JVCI? At least it might make a few more adults wake up to the craziness unfolding when a government hears the opinion of its vaccination and immunisation experts and decides to just ignore it! I can but hope.

noble I think they're being unfair to hand the responsibility to one person. Everything around the vaccination of this age group (including education issues, mental health and anxiety issues) should have been discussed in private and then a final recommendation from the scientists including the CMO could have been made public.

By doing it this way, judging by this thread a lot of parents believe that the risks of vaccination outweigh the benefits which is not true.

So if CW suggests that vaccination is on balance a good idea, people either won't believe him or think he's a government stooge and ignore him anyway.

Totally believe teenagers should be given the option
Even if CMOs give the go ahead, it’s not exactly a vote of confidence in it is it. It will make parents who were unsure even less keen.
It’ll only have a significant effect if the vast majority have it
(Agree that if my teenager had had covid, I’d be less keen to get them vaccinated)

I really don't think so, Watapalava. Kids do benefit, and we all know about adverse effects of vaccine, and in many cases, it's not even fatal, and treatable. On the other hand, consequences of having covid is really unknown.

It says it all about you, that you say you won't test your dc. Hopefully your dc won't get it and pass it on to other children or teacher, who maybe double vaxxed but still get it and end up disrupting your dc's education.

Wise decision by JCVI, so glad they maintained their integrity in the face of unprecedented pressure from the government.

Sadly this will in any case be overruled for the first time ever by the CMOs, in what will be an exceptionally poor short-sighted decision but popular with scientifically illiterate parents, probably driven by the teaching unions and populism. Announcement Sunday.

Phase 1 and 2 has been invaluable, life-saving and driven by exceptional advice of JCVI including the extension of the interval between 1st and 2nd doses from 3 to 12 (then 8) weeks.

Phase 3 not so much for a number of reasons at both individual and population-wide levels.

Disruption will be lower but may well still occur.
Time will tell but even Double vaxed staff get Infected and its thought immunity to infections wanes after 6 months or so so teachers may have to stay off once or twice a year.

That's between 2 and 4 weeks of cover lessons.

Wild type coronavirus did have some staff asymptomatic and mild symptoms in kids but delta resulted in a lot of kids visibly Ill. I suppose many parents won't test their kids but the school will still be obligated to send home kids with coronavirus symptoms.