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No vaccines for healthy 12-15 Yr olds

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Wellbythebloodyhell · 03/09/2021 16:06

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-will-not-be-recommended-for-healthy-children-aged-12-to-15-government-advisers-say-12398444

Is anyone else glad this potential decision has been taken away? I was very much undecided about vaccinating my older dc and now feel a bit of a weight has been lifted now its not something I need to consider.

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illuyankas · 03/09/2021 20:22

@bumbleymummy Please stop using JCVI for your reasoning? It's really irritating when you don't even think it's relevant and disregard their advice for you to get vaccinated. Pick and choose things to suit your agenda looks really false and insincere.

And before you say I am being the same for getting vaccinated and not happy with what they are saying about 12+, I didn't get vaccinated because of the recommendation, I got vaccinated because I wanted to, nothing to do with them.

herecomesthsun · 03/09/2021 20:24

@MarshaBradyo

also saying children shouldn't have the vaccine could well confuse parents if they then change their minds which, oh, I don't know, could conceivably happen.

I’d prefer to know the criteria for the decisions as they’re made. That will help me decide if it is finally approved.

Yes I also want to know the criteria for the decisions as they are made (?)

That doesn't change the likelihood that the vacillation might be unhelpful in the medium term.

UserNameNameNameUser · 03/09/2021 20:24

We don't give health interventions on the basis of people's opinions. You get to choose from what your dr is willing to offer you based on the best medical advice available. You can't demand any other intervention, why would a vaccine be any different?

@GiveMeNovocain

What a bizarre post. Of course we do! People can have boob jobs or tummy tucks, can choose to take all kinds of medications, can file down perfectly healthy teeth to have veneers …

People can even have elective vaccinations. My son will be getting the HPV vaccine privately this year, even though he is too young to be offered it on the NHS.

Sleepyblueocean · 03/09/2021 20:25

"but I find it hard to believe actual CEV children are not being able to get the vaccination."

Ds is eligible but still waiting. GP can only do a few a day due to many of the children including my own requiring lots of reasonable adjustments to access ( cope with) being vaccinated.

FfrothiCoffi · 03/09/2021 20:26

I notice a lot of people are ignoring the fact that the JCVI also said there is

considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms

Nerdygirl · 03/09/2021 20:27

It’s so illogical , I cannot understand the complete loss of perspective to risk !

Thewiseoneincognito · 03/09/2021 20:30

I agree it should be a choice.

I do have concerns how this would impact children in the sense of vaxxed vs unvaxxed though. The adults can barely have a reasonable discussion about the subject without it turning into a slanging match, how would this translate into the playground?

Would there be ramifications or prejudice for those kids whose parents have opted not to let them have it? Their lives have been impacted enough without another additional burden of being vaccinated to fit in.

Oblomov21 · 03/09/2021 20:31

I didn't know this had been announced. Sad

MarshaBradyo · 03/09/2021 20:36

That doesn't change the likelihood that the vacillation might be unhelpful in the medium term.

I still hugely value this transparency, would you not have it to avoid this downside you mention?

bumbleymummy · 03/09/2021 20:37

@BoredZelda

They looked at one “extremely rare” suspected side affect (60 per million) which even then is likely linked to a pre-existing condition.

Surely it’s an even worse case scenario if looking at only one “extremely rare” side effect was enough to tip the balance of the benefit?

one of the main reasons they are against it is because it would impact on the routine vaccination programmes

Where have they said this?

GiveMeNovocain · 03/09/2021 20:37

@UserNameNameNameUser

We don't give health interventions on the basis of people's opinions. You get to choose from what your dr is willing to offer you based on the best medical advice available. You can't demand any other intervention, why would a vaccine be any different?

@GiveMeNovocain

What a bizarre post. Of course we do! People can have boob jobs or tummy tucks, can choose to take all kinds of medications, can file down perfectly healthy teeth to have veneers …

People can even have elective vaccinations. My son will be getting the HPV vaccine privately this year, even though he is too young to be offered it on the NHS.

People certainly don't get cosmetic surgery on demand from the NHS 😂
CeeceeBloomingdale · 03/09/2021 20:38

@CarrieBlue

I’d like to have the decision to make, I want my children vaccinated. You could always choose not to if it was offered, sadly I don’t have the option to have my choice.
I agree with this entirely
UsedUpUsername · 03/09/2021 20:39

@noblegiraffe

We don’t demand that children isolate themselves for days on end for merely being in contact with others who’ve tested positive to the flu, no

We do vaccinate them though.

Not traditionally, no.
TheHoneyBadger · 03/09/2021 20:42

I'm fence sitting on this one because I'm aware of a certain amount of hypocrisy between my head and what I think is right for society and my feelings as a mother of my son. In principle I think it's right for it to be offered but in practice I don't think I'd want it for my son which then begs the question why is it good enough for other kids but not your own?

In a way I have a get out clause because ds is 14 and strong willed and would make his own decision anyway and doesn't want to have it.

So I fence sit because I'm aware that I'm full of contradictory feelings and thoughts about this and also because every time I see a study about reduced infection rates and transmission etc it seems, when you dig down, that the study was done pre-delta and on people who weren't mixing in close proximity without masks or ventilation so it doesn't follow that you can extrapolate from those studies to children in schools without mitigations and therefore I'm not convinced it would make a difference to education disruption anyway and if we really cared about education disruption we wouldn't have stopped wearing masks in schools.

UsedUpUsername · 03/09/2021 20:43

lack of disruption to their education

Disruption is due to the absurd rules around COVID re: isolation. Treat this like any other common respiratory illness and there’d be no disruptions.

UserNameNameNameUser · 03/09/2021 20:46

@GiveMeNovocain No, but your argument was nothing to do with the NHS.

TheHoneyBadger · 03/09/2021 20:47

I'm also aware that I was dragging myself around like a corpse for a week after my first jab and wasn't right for several weeks after my second. I had brain zaps and general flu like body aches and exhaustion and it was only the guilt of letting down kids and colleagues and knowing there was no supply available that kept me dragging myself into school despite feeling rotten.

If ds had a similar reaction then it's education disruption anyway for him.

If masks and isolation of at least close contacts in the same household were still in place and the numbers were still rocketing I may feel differently but currently I'd prefer to see masks brought back in schools which we know (despite weird crazy propaganda) have no risk and lots of benefit.

TheHoneyBadger · 03/09/2021 20:50

@UsedUpUsername

lack of disruption to their education

Disruption is due to the absurd rules around COVID re: isolation. Treat this like any other common respiratory illness and there’d be no disruptions.

Are you still pretending that covid is like any other common respiratory illness? That's bizarre Used - you can surely see that it isn't.
Walkaround · 03/09/2021 20:56

It will be interesting to compare disruption to education and public examinations in countries that chose to fully vaccinate 12 year olds and above, and countries that only fully vaccinated 18 year olds and above, particularly in countries like the UK where public exams are taken at age 15-16, so part of the cohort will be entirely unvaccinated and part partially vaccinated (unless they decide on going ahead with 2nd doses in 16-17 year olds).

Roguehair · 03/09/2021 21:07

@UsedUpUsername

lack of disruption to their education

Disruption is due to the absurd rules around COVID re: isolation. Treat this like any other common respiratory illness and there’d be no disruptions.

I agree. No need to test school age kids at all!
cherin · 03/09/2021 21:09

I don’t think comparison will be very easy, or necessarily straightforward. Not every country has classrooms of 30 - not every country has a system like the U.K. where kids are moving from class to class every hour. In Italy and other Eu countries I am familiar with a secondary class is made of 25 pupils who sit down always at the same desk in the same class, it’s the teachers who go from room to room. It’s a bubble, almost. This alone in my mind makes a comparison with most 14+ State schools in the U.K. inappropriate. The behaviour outside school is a different matter of course. But in terms of likelihood of transmission to teachers I believe it’s not at all reassuring.

HSHorror · 03/09/2021 21:10

Grr.
By not allowing it they are removing the choice to have it. And looking at 16-17 the uptake is 50%.
I dont see why we have to be the only country with no mitigations.
Yes im worried about lc for dc. If it even reduced it to half that would be amazing.
How much is this going to cost - the kids paying tax. And for if the nhs does collapse. How much will it cost parents depending on what lc does turn out to be.
Or if your dc wants to mive to another country where they might have to pay for health insurance.
Then study saying covid can age your kidneys 30years.
Anxiety from you/your mum or dad etc being rushed to hospital.
Or knowledge you caught it at school and gave it to them as you tested positive first.
It will affevt travel and travel companies due to distruption as kids test positive on holiday.

I dont trust gov and wouldnt be surprised if they told jvci to do this.
They ALWAYS want to look like they have done something see
Schools - handwashing (but dont wear a mask as it works too well)
Co2'monitors - dont have them yet and they don't actually solve anything
Lft- might help but usa banned them as too in accurate
Where is the saliva testing?

Tbh it does seem like gov do not have childrens health or well being at heart.

Christmasfairy2020 · 03/09/2021 21:11

Risks might out weigh benefits. My 11 year old had it and had no symptoms. My 6 year old got it and had a fever for 2 days

Mynameismargot · 03/09/2021 21:14

I agree. No need to test school age kids at all!

Do teachers and other school staff not come into it at all? I don't work in a school but I don't think I'd fancy sitting in a classroom with 10 covid positive kids. It doesn't seem fair to expect all teachers and school staff to be cool with that.

Mynameismargot · 03/09/2021 21:14

@Christmasfairy2020

Risks might out weigh benefits. My 11 year old had it and had no symptoms. My 6 year old got it and had a fever for 2 days
The risks don't outweigh the benefits. There is no might about it.