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Caught Covid due to Uni negligence?

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MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 12:52

I would really like people's POV on my situation please as I'm not sure how or if to proceed with any further action. I'll include the detail so as not to drip feed but the TLDR is that I caught covid off a student but received no covid policy from the Uni I was teaching at.

I am self employed and for the purpose of this thread let's say that I am a self employed embroiderer who has worked from home for 10 years. I am the only person in my 'company' an very rarely attend anyone elses place of work (approx 4 times a year) and mainly how I work is that I email clients who tell me their embroidery needs, I make it and then post it to them. I'm outlining this to basically frame that I am unaware of usual policies or ways of working that an office or university may have as I have never worked in these environments.

A month or so ago an acquaintance of mine, Lana, got in touch to ask if I would lead a week long workshop at the Uni she works at. This would be fo the MA textiles students who haven't had training in my type of embroidery before. I was pleased to be asked as I had been thinking about doing workshops and I set about preparing the course. For added context, in the weeks before the course I recieved no support as to how to schedule or put together th teaching and any emails I sent (about integral info I.e number of students, if we would have the correct equipment an so on) would take about a week to get a response. Fine I thought, this must be what teaching is like an it's on me to problem solve on the week and follow my intuition for the course framework.

I asked Lana what the covid rules an expectations were and was told (over the phone so no record of this) that every student knows to do 2 lateral flow tests a week an that there is hand gel on site. In my potential naivety or ignorance (having never worked in this environment or with anyone but myself) I again thought, fine, that must be how it is.

The week was a success and again I was left to my own devices and only saw another member of staff (Rita) face to face on 2 occasions.

On Tuesday one of the students said they were unwell but not to worry, it wasn't Covid as they had taken a test an the GP had given them antibiotics for a throat infection. Naively I accepted this and, knowing what I know now, I understand that I should have sent the student home then an there until they provided a negative PCR or had no symptoms. However, in my ignorance I didn't know that these are the usual covid policies as I have neve taught before or worked in a "normal" work environment. I trusted that the student would be following whatever procedures they should be and that was that. The nature of embroidery is that I was sometimes in closer contact with the students so that I could get a close look at thier techniques but equally I had the door open a lot of the time an the class was often split in to two groups of 8 or sometimes one to one time. I was getting the train there and back too.

On Saturday I got an email from the poorly student to say that they had taken a PCR an it was positive. I took a lateral flow (which was negative) and a PCR the Same day. My PCR came back th next day as positive.

I have been pretty poorly since then and now I am finally feeling better it is dawning on me not only how naive I was, but also how poorly the uni has gone about this.

I got no Covid policy prior to teaching. I have now sent Lana a text (on Monday) and an email (on Wednesday) asking her if she is aware of the covid out break. I also sent Rita a text yesterday too. No response to any of these messages. So currently I don't know if they know about it, and if they do they haven't informed me.

I take some responsibility for my ignorance to not send the student home. Perhaps if I was used to working in a peopled environment I would have known to do that. I also feel awful that I put my children and my MIL, an therefore, my recently in cancer remission FIL, at risk too, as my MIL looked after my kids for one day during the week when my DP couldn't.

Lana has recently had a hard time personally which she shared with me before the course began so I am sensitive to not add to her plate. But equally I feel like I (and many other people - one student attended a wedding on the final day!) have been put at risk due to thier negligence. Not to mention that I haven't been able to work whilst I've been so ill.

What, if anything, should I do next? I am due to do more teaching there in a month and am in two minds about it. I have another teaching job at another uni in a week an today got a v long and informative covid policy with thier expectations from me as a freelancer and I was like "why didn't I get this before from the other uni! I would have been so much better protected!"

Sorry for the long post. Any thoughts welcomed.

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MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 14:59

@FrancescaContini I don't want to blame anyone and I don't think I have said that I do. I was under the assumption that the university was negligent by not providing a covid policy that could have helped avoid the situation. I now know that they don't have to provide a policy to me

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MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 15:03

@ThisOldSaddo would be please elaborate? I don't really understand what you mean by casual link or the bit about office manual. Not meaning to sound inflammatory! Genuinely would love to understand your take more but don't understand the terminology.

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MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 15:05

Thanks @CousinKrispy your input is really helpful. And as someone whose hypothetical or actual embroidery would be a hot mess, I have admiration for your patience and skill!

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bluetongue · 02/09/2021 15:10

You caught Covid and are now fine? Sounds like a win to me.

We’re all going to catch so let it go.

FrancescaContini · 02/09/2021 15:11

[quote MaizeBlouse]@FrancescaContini I don't want to blame anyone and I don't think I have said that I do. I was under the assumption that the university was negligent by not providing a covid policy that could have helped avoid the situation. I now know that they don't have to provide a policy to me[/quote]
Your use of “caught Covid DUE TO…” sounds as if you’re trying to apportion blame.

For a person working in higher education you make yourself sound surprisingly ill informed/ unable to think outside the box. Do you always need to be spoon fed in everything you do in your professional life?

CallMeNutribullet · 02/09/2021 15:31

Take some responsibility for yourself as an adult. What exactly do you want here?

Miniroofbox · 02/09/2021 15:33

Where’s your own agency in this?

MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 15:33

@FrancescaContini did you see my OP? This was my first job in HE after 10 years of working for myself an I have said many times that I was ignorant to how I could/should have behaved.

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FrancescaContini · 02/09/2021 15:42

Yes, I read your OP. I don’t think that your time away from the workplace is irrelevant. You’re suggesting - no, saying - that you caught Covid as a result of something your employer didn’t do. I struggle to understand how someone in higher education requires so much guidance in the workplace.

I’m interested - what’s your subject area?

FrancescaContini · 02/09/2021 15:42

Relevant, not irrelevant 😬

butterpuffed · 02/09/2021 15:42

Why you weren't wearing a mask while teaching ~ were the students ?
I'm not being sarcastic, just really don't understand why you weren't as you were all inside .

TractorAndHeadphones · 02/09/2021 15:56

@FrancescaContini

Yes, I read your OP. I don’t think that your time away from the workplace is irrelevant. You’re suggesting - no, saying - that you caught Covid as a result of something your employer didn’t do. I struggle to understand how someone in higher education requires so much guidance in the workplace.

I’m interested - what’s your subject area?

Stop being mean to the OP. She has clearly stated that she’s self-employed and was asked to teach a course. So no, she doesn’t ‘work in higher education’ as a career academic, she’s a subject matter expert who has just started teaching what she knows.

It’s easy to overestimate what should and should not be provided when you haven’t worked in a professional settings for ages. Cut her some slack.

nordica · 02/09/2021 15:59

I think the problem is that with infection rates as high as they are, especially among younger people who may not be (fully) vaccinated yet, the university could do everything right and there would still be a fairly high likelihood of catching covid. A lot of the "covid safe" guidance is that in name only because if you're going to spend any time in a room with other people, there's not much anyone can do to make that covid safe unless everyone is wearing at least FFP2 grade masks and windows are wide open for ventilation.

One mitigation could be for all students to be told they can't attend with any symptoms at all - although even then, some could have the virus asymptomatically or be presymptomatic at that time, so the risk would still be there.

It just sounds like a very unfortunate coincidence it happened the one time you were in that situation.

Freddiefox · 02/09/2021 16:02

Was it before the 31st of august? Otherwise the uni aren’t allowed to act as test and trace, and it’s down to the nhs

MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 16:11

Thanks @TractorAndHeadphones! And yes I refute that I "work in HE" @francescaContini . Before I lead the course last week I hadn't stepped foot in a HE setting for 12 years! I have worked alone for 10 years doibf my job whixh is totally unrelated to HE and before that I was a waitress so I really don't know what to expect. So yeah a bit of guidance would have really been helpful tbh.

@freddiefox yes it was before 31st August.

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Miniroofbox · 02/09/2021 16:21

If you were concerned about COVID, why didn’t you ask?

MargaretThursday · 02/09/2021 17:01

As a leader coming in to lead a group, wouldn't you want to do your own risk assessment-not just for covid but for other aspects as well.

You can't go in and do the teaching and then afterwards complain that you wanted a better covid policy; the time to raise it was before you go in.

You could then have outlined things like sending home if they turn up ill as part of the policy.

Pootle40 · 02/09/2021 17:25

I feel like Ross in Friends when he says WE WERE ON A BREAK!

IT'S A VIRUS !

Flowers500 · 02/09/2021 17:33

I don't really understand the point of this thread?

You got covid, you seem determined that somebody must be at fault (either the uni or you), like it's a moral failing rather than a highly infectious disease. It doesn't really sound like there is anything that either of you could have done that would have stopped this happening--you don't know the student gave you covid, even if they did it is likely they tested negative previously as they said. So they were fine to continue going about their studies.

If you're desperate to read the policy then it will be on their website, I guarantee you. It will probably be bloody impossible to avoid. It will also be virtually guaranteed to make little difference here.

The only way to guarantee you don't get covid is to not go anywhere. You seem fixated on covid policies but you're perfectly entitled to be more stringent yourself (e.g. wearing a mask and opening windows/doors) if you choose to be. You don't need someone else to tell you how to do this.

Flowers500 · 02/09/2021 17:35

Close contacts should be notified via test and trace, not through the uni. It's like catching covid at starbucks and being upset the barista didn't call, it's got very little to do with them.

Flowers500 · 02/09/2021 17:36

What university is it? Google the name of the university, then "Covid policy"

Geamhradh · 02/09/2021 17:41

@Flowers500

I think the point is succinctly explained by the OP's use of the word "negligence" in the thread title tbf.
She's backtracked a bit now, given the responses, but it's pretty clear what she was after to start with.
OP- hopefully in your next job, you'll be a bit more Covid savvy.

SilverGlitterBaubles · 02/09/2021 17:44

I think the idea of laying blame on others for catching a widespread airborne virus is a bit unfair. It's happening increasingly and it can be pretty nasty. People are told to go about their lives as normal and then chastised for doing so if it results in catching Covid. We just can't win.

MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 18:30

@Flowers500 I just googled that. The only thing that came up was a newsletter page about thier plans to close from 23rd March 2020 Hmm and nothing since. For context, it is a specialised uni that just teaches "Textiles" rather than the Uni of Bath, or whatever.

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MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 18:35

And one more time for the people in the back: I was never out to make a claim against the uni. My friend runs the uni, I want to continue teaching, I have neither the energy, means or money to claim anything. And lastly: I don't bloody want to! It was never about that. The word 'negligence' isn't solely used in a legal context. But people can believe what they like.

I am not fixated on policies.. I literally have no idea about this stuff. But of course I'm going to mention it a lot here because I'm talking about it. I wouldn't assume my DP is fixated on Bananas if h cam home and told me the shop was sold out and they never supply enough, cos he wanted to make banana bread or something. I'd think, here's a bloke annoyed about Bananas for a min. So yeah here's a woman annoyed about covid policies for a mo.

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