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Caught Covid due to Uni negligence?

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MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 12:52

I would really like people's POV on my situation please as I'm not sure how or if to proceed with any further action. I'll include the detail so as not to drip feed but the TLDR is that I caught covid off a student but received no covid policy from the Uni I was teaching at.

I am self employed and for the purpose of this thread let's say that I am a self employed embroiderer who has worked from home for 10 years. I am the only person in my 'company' an very rarely attend anyone elses place of work (approx 4 times a year) and mainly how I work is that I email clients who tell me their embroidery needs, I make it and then post it to them. I'm outlining this to basically frame that I am unaware of usual policies or ways of working that an office or university may have as I have never worked in these environments.

A month or so ago an acquaintance of mine, Lana, got in touch to ask if I would lead a week long workshop at the Uni she works at. This would be fo the MA textiles students who haven't had training in my type of embroidery before. I was pleased to be asked as I had been thinking about doing workshops and I set about preparing the course. For added context, in the weeks before the course I recieved no support as to how to schedule or put together th teaching and any emails I sent (about integral info I.e number of students, if we would have the correct equipment an so on) would take about a week to get a response. Fine I thought, this must be what teaching is like an it's on me to problem solve on the week and follow my intuition for the course framework.

I asked Lana what the covid rules an expectations were and was told (over the phone so no record of this) that every student knows to do 2 lateral flow tests a week an that there is hand gel on site. In my potential naivety or ignorance (having never worked in this environment or with anyone but myself) I again thought, fine, that must be how it is.

The week was a success and again I was left to my own devices and only saw another member of staff (Rita) face to face on 2 occasions.

On Tuesday one of the students said they were unwell but not to worry, it wasn't Covid as they had taken a test an the GP had given them antibiotics for a throat infection. Naively I accepted this and, knowing what I know now, I understand that I should have sent the student home then an there until they provided a negative PCR or had no symptoms. However, in my ignorance I didn't know that these are the usual covid policies as I have neve taught before or worked in a "normal" work environment. I trusted that the student would be following whatever procedures they should be and that was that. The nature of embroidery is that I was sometimes in closer contact with the students so that I could get a close look at thier techniques but equally I had the door open a lot of the time an the class was often split in to two groups of 8 or sometimes one to one time. I was getting the train there and back too.

On Saturday I got an email from the poorly student to say that they had taken a PCR an it was positive. I took a lateral flow (which was negative) and a PCR the Same day. My PCR came back th next day as positive.

I have been pretty poorly since then and now I am finally feeling better it is dawning on me not only how naive I was, but also how poorly the uni has gone about this.

I got no Covid policy prior to teaching. I have now sent Lana a text (on Monday) and an email (on Wednesday) asking her if she is aware of the covid out break. I also sent Rita a text yesterday too. No response to any of these messages. So currently I don't know if they know about it, and if they do they haven't informed me.

I take some responsibility for my ignorance to not send the student home. Perhaps if I was used to working in a peopled environment I would have known to do that. I also feel awful that I put my children and my MIL, an therefore, my recently in cancer remission FIL, at risk too, as my MIL looked after my kids for one day during the week when my DP couldn't.

Lana has recently had a hard time personally which she shared with me before the course began so I am sensitive to not add to her plate. But equally I feel like I (and many other people - one student attended a wedding on the final day!) have been put at risk due to thier negligence. Not to mention that I haven't been able to work whilst I've been so ill.

What, if anything, should I do next? I am due to do more teaching there in a month and am in two minds about it. I have another teaching job at another uni in a week an today got a v long and informative covid policy with thier expectations from me as a freelancer and I was like "why didn't I get this before from the other uni! I would have been so much better protected!"

Sorry for the long post. Any thoughts welcomed.

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Geamhradh · 02/09/2021 13:17

Weren't you socially distancing and wearing a mask?
You might not even have caught it from the student.

forinborin · 02/09/2021 13:20

Without any intention to sound rude, I think this was the case when one in charge (i.e. you as the lecturer, even if temporary) was expected to follow common sense and not expect the policy to outline every possible scenario.
Even under the most draconian policy neither Rita or Lana likely would have had powers to do anything with a student who claimed they tested and did not have covid and later it turned out that they did. Any policy would require cooperation from all participants. If they aren't cooperative, there's little you can do. And (thankfully) there cannot be a policy on forced testing or compulsory disclosure of medical info.

I hope you feel better soon!

Miniroofbox · 02/09/2021 13:22

You should have asked for the COVID policy and followed it.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 02/09/2021 13:27

You have no idea where you caught it,you might have an idea but you were on the train .

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 02/09/2021 13:29

**hope you're on the mend soon.

LookAtMoiPloise · 02/09/2021 13:31

Not really sure how you blame the uni for this.

Wellbythebloodyhell · 02/09/2021 13:33

How do you know you didn't catch it from the train and pass it on to the student who already had a weakened immune system due to the throat infection?

You used the word naive a lot and I have to agree you have been very naive if you didn't consider the possibility of catching covid whilst travelling on public transport and then being in close contact with multiple people.

I'm not sure what it is you want from the university? An apology, a compensation claim?

I'm sorry you're unwell I hope you feel better soon

ActonSquirrel · 02/09/2021 13:33

Didn't bother to read beyond the first paragraph. You will never prove you caught it from the student. Covid is everywhere in case you hadn't noticed.

If you made a full recovery then damages would be very limited anyway

MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 13:34

You should have asked for the COVID policy and followed it.
I did and was told the policy was that students are doing lateral flow tests and to use hand gel.

Weren't you socially distancing and wearing a mask? You might not even have caught it from the student.
I was distancing as much as possible but this was in a classroom so I assume that the virus was circulating in the room. I was opening the door (no window in the room) often as well. No mask.

I'd say I'm 95% certain I caught it off the student as I was going nowhere else, neither was my DP an on the train I was masked up and away from others. Plus it only 2 stops whereas I was in the classroom for 8hrs a day.

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Bryonyshcmyony · 02/09/2021 13:35

You don't sound as though you've been particularly unwell and now you have antibodies.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 02/09/2021 13:36

I'd say if anything you should've had the door open all the time as they do in classrooms.

Bryonyshcmyony · 02/09/2021 13:36

Yes you probably did catch it from the student. I don't see what the big deal is.

OliveTree75 · 02/09/2021 13:36

I don't understand how they have been negligent? Surely you knew there was a covid risk when accepting to do the workshop. Also as pp have said,you could have caught it on the train or from another student.

MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 13:36

For the record I don't want to claim anything from anyone! I just want a response from the Uni who, currently, haven't even informed me that the student tested positive. Nor replied to my messages to make sure they were aware. That is pretty negligent imo.

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MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 02/09/2021 13:39

Test and Trace would contact you surely, not the uni?

MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 13:39

I'd say if anything you should've had the door open all the time as they do in classrooms.
I would have if this was possible. Due to the nature of what I was teaching, having the door open caused a noise issue that affected the teaching process. I had the door open as much as possible between these times.

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sashagabadon · 02/09/2021 13:39

I honestly think this is just life.
Nothing is 100% safe and unless you stand in a field (as JVT once said) you risk catching covid. Hopefully you are double jabbed and so will make a good recovery.

You can of course decline any future work requests or accept them and just accept this as a risk.

Lots of people catch covid at their work places despite all the precautions. What do you think supermarket workers do?

Seesawmummadaw · 02/09/2021 13:40

It’s unfortunate but even with the tightest of rules it happens. I work in a hospital, we are very careful to follow procedures but we still have covid cases.

Hope you feel better soon

MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 13:41

Test and Trace would contact you surely, not the uni? yes they did. Genuine Q: is it not also the unis responsibility to let me know?

I know how naive I've been but I genuinely have worked for myself for 10 years and had no idea what to expect from a university. The new uni I'm teaching at have sent me a thorough and long covid policy which is way beyond 'use hand gel'.

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ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 02/09/2021 13:42

Sadly, it's generally impossible to determine exactly where someone caught covid.

But, lesson learned, and all you can do is to ask for policies in advance, make sure you have a contact for queries on the day, take additional measures etc.
It's highly transmissible, which is why there are so many cases.

MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 13:42

You don't sound as though you've been particularly unwell
How so?

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OliveTree75 · 02/09/2021 13:43

I thought educational settings no longer had to act as contact tracers. Presumably this is why T&T contacted you and not them?

IsabellesMissingSock · 02/09/2021 13:44

@OliveTree75

I thought educational settings no longer had to act as contact tracers. Presumably this is why T&T contacted you and not them?
That's what I thought. Struggling to see what the uni have done wrong here tbh
MaizeBlouse · 02/09/2021 13:44

I will definitely be asking asking for policies in advance next time and will take more precautions for sure.
I definitely knew catching covid was a possibility but was definitely ill-informed wrt best practise for protecting myself and those around me.

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titchy · 02/09/2021 13:45

I'm not sure it's possible for the uni to let you know actually - it effectively means telling you a students health status, which they can't do without the express permission of the student. T and T can under legislation, but not any other organisation.

Besides which - covid - there's a lot of it about. And masks, social distancing, open windows etc will never remove the risk entirely.

There's no real blame here.

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