Ivermectin bonkersness

[Thebookswereherfriends]

I’ve just been reading about people all over the world who are buying a horse dewormer medicine to “cure” Covid-19. It makes people crap themselves, go blind and causes your intestinal lining to shed! How on earth does someone think taking a medication for animals is a good idea, but having a vaccine which is designed and tested for humans by actual doctors and scientists is crazy?!

Alot of medication is used for animals and humans interchangeably

But animal grade ivermectin is not suitable for human consumption. A pharmacist should know this!

Here's what the FDA have said

"There seems to be a growing interest in a drug called ivermectin to treat humans with COVID-19. Ivermectin is often used in the U.S. to treat or prevent parasites in animals. The FDA has received multiple reports of patients who have required medical support and been hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for horses.

Here’s What You Need to Know about Ivermectin

FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).
Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.
If you have a prescription for ivermectin for an FDA-approved use, get it from a legitimate source and take it exactly as prescribed.
Never use medications intended for animals on yourself. Ivermectin preparations for animals are very different from those approved for humans."

Why is making a point that’s any different to the party line anti vax? Gets on my nerves so much. Where in any of the posts discussing ivermectin has anybody said anything about not having the vaccine?
The BCG vaccine is fully approved and so treatments are available alongside vaccines. The rules do if the currently available vaccines against covid are that they are approved for emergency use while there is a declared national state of emergency. Any emergence of a valid treatment would mean that there was no need for any nation to remain in an emergency state. Not anti vax, just fact.

Where in any of the posts discussing ivermectin has anybody said anything about not having the vaccine?

IME ivermectin is only peddled as a treatment for covid by anti-vaxxers.

Well I’m interested in news of trials of ivermectin showing promising or interesting results and correlations because I would love it if somebody found a cure. I’m not anti-vax.
Maybe those so fast to slam it down and call people anti vaxxers are anti-treatment? See how ridiculous that generalisation is?!

@Lostinacloud

Well I’m interested in news of trials of ivermectin showing promising or interesting results and correlations because I would love it if somebody found a cure. I’m not anti-vax. Maybe those so fast to slam it down and call people anti vaxxers are anti-treatment? See how ridiculous that generalisation is?!

Well, quite....

noblegiraffe

Im not saying animal grade ivermectin is suitable for humans. OP’s post makes out that Ivermectin is only suitable for horses which is incorrect. The media spin is also trying to allude to that also.

Well I’m interested in news of trials of ivermectin showing promising or interesting results

It would be better if you were interested in news of high quality trials.

Crap trials can show whatever you like.

The media spin is also trying to allude to that also.

The media 'spin' is reporting that people are using horse dewormer to treat covid. If it's the animal grade medication that they are using, as appears to be the case (and as I have seen people encouraging on social media), then that isn't spin, is it?

Crap trials can show whatever you like.

Absolutely, @noblegiraffe. Just ask Pfizer

I have no idea what you're talking about.

noblegiraffe

Oh yeah sorry the media said that so it must be true.

The thread isn’t about the use of the human version, though. It’s about the fact that people are willing to ingest something meant for animals - they’re not doing a careful analysis and calculating the right dose for themselves, they’re just chucking it back and suffering nasty side effects!

the media said that so it must be true.

What about the FDA?

Of course people shouldn’t use a non licenced drug, or one that’s not prescribed by a GP
However, due to my work I am aware that there is a lot of efficacy data around Ivermectin and there are plans to try and get it properly licensed for the prevention and treatment of long Covid. Ultimately it will be up to The MHRA if they think the case is strong enough

@Cindy974

noblegiraffe

Oh yeah sorry the media said that so it must be true.

Nope, epidemiologists have said so.

I have been involved in reviewing the ivermectin literature the vast majority of positive studies are of very low quality.

Everyone wants more options for treating COVID, ivermectin ain't it

@Hoppinggreen

Of course people shouldn’t use a non licenced drug, or one that’s not prescribed by a GP However, due to my work I am aware that there is a lot of efficacy data around Ivermectin and there are plans to try and get it properly licensed for the prevention and treatment of long Covid. Ultimately it will be up to The MHRA if they think the case is strong enough

Please point me to this evidence for lot of efficacy data around Ivermectin and there are plans to try and get it properly licensed for the prevention and treatment of long Covid.

So presumably you're saying long COVID is caused by infection that doesn't go away? Despite there not being evidence this is the case?

Because the only way ivermectin has a potential mechanism of action is an anti-viral (so potentially has a role in very early treatment) however well conducted RCTs say otherwise.

@Cindy974

They wouldn’t make money using ivermectin because its an incredibly cheap drug. However they make much more money through vaccinations.

I think it’s cost to manufacture is around 0.025p per tablet so very cheap. I know of at least one Doctor led non profit org who are trying to get MHRA approval for Ivermectin for long Covid. Like I said, the evidence isn’t there yet but it might be eventually

speckleosrtichegg
There are trials underway that offer promising results but as I said there isn’t the evidence yet.
Ultimately it will be up to the Regulatory Authorities to decide if the evidence is strong enough, not me or anyone else on here

@Hoppinggreen

speckleosrtichegg There are trials underway that offer promising results but as I said there isn’t the evidence yet. Ultimately it will be up to the Regulatory Authorities to decide if the evidence is strong enough, not me or anyone else on here

I am not aware of any trials that are testing ivermectin for treatment of long COVID, please could you link these?

Also haven't seen any trials that "offer promising results"..?

Would also be interested in seeing the lot of efficacy data around Ivermectin for prevention or treatment of acute or LC because I certainly haven't come across any @Hoppinggreen

sorry I can’t do that.
You dont have to believe me, it’s something I deal with professionally and so have NDAs etc in place around.
As I said ultimately it will be up to The MHRA or FDA to review the evidence. They may decide there isn’t enough but I do know of at least one Dr led non profit who firmly believe in Ivermectin. I am not sure myself and prefer to take the vaccine route and I DO think it’s dangerous to speak about Ivermectin as a cure/treatment for Covid until it’s approved and the dose and supply chain is regulated. If that never happens then it should never be taken by humans.

I also know how trial results can be interpreted.
I used to work for one a Pharma that used a certain trial to prove Drug A was better than drug B. The competition was using the same trial to prove the opposite.
I have also seen a trial that if taken purely on face value shows that of you take a certain drug you are more likely to be murdered!!

@Hoppinggreen

sorry I can’t do that. You dont have to believe me, it’s something I deal with professionally and so have NDAs etc in place around. As I said ultimately it will be up to The MHRA or FDA to review the evidence. They may decide there isn’t enough but I do know of at least one Dr led non profit who firmly believe in Ivermectin. I am not sure myself and prefer to take the vaccine route and I DO think it’s dangerous to speak about Ivermectin as a cure/treatment for Covid until it’s approved and the dose and supply chain is regulated. If that never happens then it should never be taken by humans.

sorry I can’t do that. You dont have to believe me

You've claimed there is "a lot" of evidence showing efficacy for ivermectin in treating LC - presumably there isn't an NDA on that?

Trials are generally pre-registered and in the public domain - how else are participants recruited?

And researchers generally publicise the trials they are leading on - I'm not asking for raw data, I'm asking for evidence that that trials for using ivermectin to treat LC are actually happening...

Well you can find the info in the public domain online presumably