Ivermectin bonkersness

[Thebookswereherfriends]

I’ve just been reading about people all over the world who are buying a horse dewormer medicine to “cure” Covid-19. It makes people crap themselves, go blind and causes your intestinal lining to shed! How on earth does someone think taking a medication for animals is a good idea, but having a vaccine which is designed and tested for humans by actual doctors and scientists is crazy?!

@HBGKC

"And here we have American Frontline Doctors, a far right political group"

Out of interest, @ollyollyoxenfree, on what basis do you characterise them thus?

I'm not the person who posted about them, but happy to help:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Frontline_Doctors

I'll see if I can find more.

And:

mediabiasfactcheck.com/americas-frontline-doctors/

And:

medika.life/exposing-americas-frontline-doctors-and-their-financial-empire-built-on-hydroxychloroquine/

And:

www.snopes.com/news/2020/07/30/americas-frontline-doctors/

You're welcome HBGKC.

unapproved veterinary wormers go viral what could go possibly wrong.

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gunshot-victims-horse-dewormer-ivermectin-oklahoma-hospitals-covid-1220608/

America's Frontline Doctors have links to the Tea Party Patriots.

www.snopes.com/news/2020/07/30/americas-frontline-doctors/

www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/back-away-americas-frontline-doctors

One of the founders was at the Capitol riot on January 6th

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/22/coronavirus-misinformation-simone-gold-americas-frontline-doctors

Take your vax peeps if you can and stop wasting your time on quack "cures" it's that simple.

They seem to have picked a name to deliberately confuse people into mistaking them for a more respected organisation which has been around since the 1940s

www.aafp.org/group-six/home.html#mobile-footer

[quote ollyollyoxenfree]Another day, another fraudulent ivermectin study

This one had massive red flags anyway - claimed a 100% prevention in ivermectin cases compared to controls (literally no intervention has such a huge effect size), an apparently 0% drop out rate, errors in tables, poor methodological design, analyses/graphics conducted in excel, no discussion section of the paper.

Oh, and it was accepted within 7 days into a predatory journal, and was by a lead author who despite having been an academic for 25 years had no previous publication.

And now it looks like the study was never actually conducted:

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/ivermectin-covid-study-suspect-data[/quote]
How is your only response to this, and the fact that AFDs are scamming people out of money for ivermectin, just to question the legitimacy of the statement included in my post that they're a far right group?

A quick websearch (thanks to the many posters who provided examples ) will pull up heaps of evidence on this, including Simone Gold participating in the capitol riots.

Even if I was wrong, and they weren't a far right group, it doesn't change the fact they're spreading misinformation about ivermectin and the vaccines, and using this to discourage vaccination and make money (whilst stealing from people who never actually receive ivermectin).

I find it truly bizarre how keen you are to ignore all these examples of how problematic the situation is.

Overdoses from anti-parasite drug ivermectin overwhelm rural Oklahoma hospitals - leaving gunshot victims waiting for emergency rooms

That headline in itself is some dystopian stuff.

In response to @HBGKC ^^

Any comments to make HBGKC?

None of these (your own) sources call the FLCC anything more sinister than 'conservative', 'right wing' or 'right-leaning'.

I find it very interesting that being anywhere right of centre immediately gets labelled 'far-right extremist'. Rather like 'Trump voter = deplorable'. Also rather like labelling anyone who takes a critical approach to the MSM's representation of reality as a conspiracy-theorist/anti-vaxxer/idiotic lunatic.

This kind of rhetoric is intellectually sloppy, deliberately divisive and quite dangerous (as @IvorBigarse has pointed out).

I'm out.

I've just seen this.

www.scholarsresearchlibrary.com/abstract/effects-of-ivermectin-therapy-on-the-sperm-functions-of-nigerian-onchocerciasis-patients-12867.html

Could we add scientifically fraudulent to the description list about FLCCC members?

Pierre Kory promotes a conspiracy theory so can we validly call him a conspiracy theorist?

from ex-member of FLCCC who deplores anti-vaccine views infiltrating FLCCC, and the absolutism that has come to dominate Kory's outlook.

@HBGKC

None of these (your own) sources call the FLCC anything more sinister than 'conservative', 'right wing' or 'right-leaning'.

I find it very interesting that being anywhere right of centre immediately gets labelled 'far-right extremist'. Rather like 'Trump voter = deplorable'. Also rather like labelling anyone who takes a critical approach to the MSM's representation of reality as a conspiracy-theorist/anti-vaxxer/idiotic lunatic.

This kind of rhetoric is intellectually sloppy, deliberately divisive and quite dangerous (as @IvorBigarse has pointed out).

I'm out.

@HBGKC

Plenty of example given of their far right ideology.

However -as I said:

How is your only response to this, and the fact that AFDs are spreading misinformation about ivermectin and scamming people out of money, just to question the legitimacy of the statement included in my post that they're a far right group?

Even if I was wrong, and they weren't a far right group, it doesn't change the fact they're spreading misinformation about ivermectin and the vaccines, promoting fraudulent studies, and using this to discourage vaccination and make money (whilst stealing from people who never actually receive ivermectin).

I find it truly bizarre how keen you are to ignore all these examples of how problematic the situation is.

I did say on the (multiple) State of Fear threads that a scientist/clinicians's political leanings shouldn't render their opinion on vaccines/drugs/masks invalid, if they were based on good quality evidence. , although I do think it's relevant to the conversation. It leads to the exact position you've demonstrated when a poster uses it an example of their "discrimination", and fails to address the real issue pointed out - that they're talking absolute nonsense not based on good evidence.

[quote illuyankas]I've just seen this.

www.scholarsresearchlibrary.com/abstract/effects-of-ivermectin-therapy-on-the-sperm-functions-of-nigerian-onchocerciasis-patients-12867.html[/quote]
And yes, this is another issue. These groups are promoting ivermectin like it's a health supplement that is 100% safe to take in all scenarios, leading to people popping it like a multivitamin.

This is blatantly untrue - it has been proven safe in the short term treatment of anti-parasitic disease at certain doses. We have no idea of the long term implications of the kind of doses and duration that are being taken (espec for prophylaxis), which will only be made worse by the fact it's almost entirely unregulated right now.

Had read this thread, then saw this statement shared online from the hospital. This is a completely politicised topic, and wherever within lies the truth, there is certainly a sophisticated smear campaign against ivermectin in progress. This rolling stone article was picked up and reported by news outlets across the world. The hospital group's statement won't make the rounds in the same way.

Statement from the hospital
Message from the administration of Northeastern Health System - Sequoyah:
Although Dr. Jason McElyea is not an employee of NHS Sequoyah, he is affiliated with a medical staffing group that provides coverage for our emergency room.

With that said, Dr. McElyea has not worked at our Sallisaw location in over 2 months.

NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose.

All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Our hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care.

We want to reassure our community that our staff is working hard to provide quality healthcare to all patients. We appreciate the opportunity to clarify this issue and as always, we value our community’s support.

nhssequoyah.com/

[quote ollyollyoxenfree]More problems caused by FLCCC/AFD/BIRD promoting misinformation that ivermectin is protective against COVID (when there is no robust evidence this is the case).

Reputable doctors are not going to prescribe a drug for which there is no evidence it is effective, leading to this.

As I have said before, this misinformation is causing harm and deaths, by discouraging vaccination ("ivermectin will prevent 100% of COVID cases"/ "ivermectin will cure COVID") and toxicity from the drug itself.

Overdoses from anti-parasite drug ivermectin overwhelm rural Oklahoma hospitals - leaving gunshot victims waiting for emergency rooms

www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/gunshot-victims-horse-dewormer-ivermectin-oklahoma-hospitals-covid-1220608/[/quote]
Was referencing the article in this post in my message above, messed up quoting it

@Amaizintacos

Thanks for the update, if true then that's deeply poor reporting by the rolling stone (and other news outlets) for not verifying their sources. Also very very bizarre move from the doctor in question, as all it will do is feed the "ivermectin is being blocked" conspiracy theory narrative. Have reported my post which links the original incorrect article with headline!

However - it doesn't change the fact that even one person taking ivermectin unnecessarily because of misinformation (let alone having side effects) is terrible.

The CDC and various poison control helplines have reported huge increases in those seeking help for ivermectin toxicity (particularly those taking veterinary grade), so clearly it is an issue, hence the statement they put out a couple of weeks ago.

This story "Overdoses from anti-parasite drug ivermectin overwhelm rural Oklahoma hospitals - leaving gunshot victims waiting for emergency rooms" is still up on Youtube more than a week later, btw:

The guy is really something else: calmly and convincingly lying through his teeth in an interview for KFOR Oklahoma's News 4, which Youtube is still showing, despite being (allegedly) strongly against the spread of misinformation on ivermectin. Clearly not

Double blind, randomised control study of Ivermectin:

Completed 6 months ago ( 17 minutes )