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If the government were honest about the next 4 months

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RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 27/08/2021 12:10

They'd say that children are probably going to catch covid, there is nothing to stop this happening. Lots of families will probably catch it off their children, school staff will probably catch it off children too.

Education is going to be disrupted again if the above happens. No way around it. But it could be 'over' by November when the bad weather kicks in and older folk start getting ill as per usual circumstances. At that point booster vaccs could start.

It's definitely 'an approach', but not telling people that this is the plan is unfair. Do you think people have realised this yet? Or are the Emperor's new clothes still in view?

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SonnetForSpring · 27/08/2021 20:13

@Peteycat

I'm not opposed to people testing. I'm opposed to people requiring others to test before going into places like was said earlier. If you are poorly, stay at home. If you are fine with no symptoms why continue to test? Don't you think it's become absurd?
It's a pandemic. I think you're absurd.
Peteycat · 27/08/2021 20:15

Charming.

FloFloFloFloFlo · 27/08/2021 20:22

Surely we aren’t all going to catch it repeatedly forever as someone upthread said?!

I thought the reinfection rate was 1%?

PrincessNutNuts · 27/08/2021 20:33

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

They'd say that children are probably going to catch covid, there is nothing to stop this happening. Lots of families will probably catch it off their children, school staff will probably catch it off children too.

Education is going to be disrupted again if the above happens. No way around it. But it could be 'over' by November when the bad weather kicks in and older folk start getting ill as per usual circumstances. At that point booster vaccs could start.

It's definitely 'an approach', but not telling people that this is the plan is unfair. Do you think people have realised this yet? Or are the Emperor's new clothes still in view?

My prediction is that our children's education will be disrupted for a third school year by the government's refusal to protect them adequately.

Hundreds of thousands of children will get covid.

Thousands will be admitted to hospital because of it.

And tens of thousands will have long term health consequences.

But I don't think it'll stop in November. Why would it?

borntobequiet · 27/08/2021 21:01

@Peteycat

I was being silly. Highlighting that she was a brave woman. She didn't hide away, she helped others. Nursed others. Do you understand what I mean now?
No, no idea. Very obscure.
rwalker · 27/08/2021 21:07

I think they will find a solution for this in the same palce as a real unicorn .

Covids going no where we have to live with it

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RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 27/08/2021 21:13

Covids going no where we have to live with it

Of course. In the same way we live with other threats to life. It doesn't mean just ignore it and hope it goes away. Which seems to be current government policy.

I'm glad the SW are getting masks back In secondary schools. 5 weeks gives time to get vax in arms.

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MGMidget · 27/08/2021 21:24

I have thought for a while that the real plan was to let it spread on the assumption that severe illness/dealth was now less likely for most people and hence see if it could be allowed to spread like flu. Unfortunately the delta variant seems to affect younger people more than earlier variants judging by what I have been reading in the news.

As isolation still applies if you test positive I think there will just be lots of people testing positive and isolating, especially as they will have spread it around to all those near them before getting a positive test result.

I guess we will get a few weeks of school but I am worried that won’t last beyond October half term!

Public services and businesses will probably be disrupted too.

MGMidget · 27/08/2021 21:25

Death not dealth!

Peteycat · 27/08/2021 21:38

I'm glad the SW are getting masks back In secondary schools. 5 weeks gives time to get vax in arms.

Well aren't you lovely. Not all parents will agree to this you know.

saltedcaramel87 · 27/08/2021 21:41

@Peteycat

I'm glad the SW are getting masks back In secondary schools. 5 weeks gives time to get vax in arms.

Well aren't you lovely. Not all parents will agree to this you know.

They don't need to?

It's a choice, giving parents & children the option to be vaccinated is only a good thing.

Peteycat · 27/08/2021 21:45

They definitely do need to give consent. What on earth are you talking about? Yes the option might be there but actual consent will be from parents and guardians.

saltedcaramel87 · 27/08/2021 21:46

@Peteycat

They definitely do need to give consent. What on earth are you talking about? Yes the option might be there but actual consent will be from parents and guardians.
I think you need to read my post again..
Peteycat · 27/08/2021 21:48

Sorry I don't do riddles.

saltedcaramel87 · 27/08/2021 21:51

@Peteycat

Sorry I don't do riddles.
Sigh

pp: I'm glad the SW are getting masks back In secondary schools. 5 weeks gives time to get vax in arms.

Peteycat: Well aren't you lovely. Not all parents will agree to this you know.

Me: They won't have to- it's a choice.

Peteycat · 27/08/2021 21:52

You said they don't need to when I said all parents won't agree to it. So if it's a choice, then not all parents will take the vaccine.

I get what you mean now but it's still irritating when posters say ooh get vaxx in arms like it's a given that all kids will have it. They most certainly won't.

Peteycat · 27/08/2021 21:53

Yes salted, I get it now. Its just I can't understand why posters assume everyone will agree to the injection.

Hercisback · 27/08/2021 22:00

Masks in communal areas won't halt much transmission as the communal areas are quick periods of transition between lessons. Spending 1-2 hours in the same (probably not well ventilated) room as an unmasked person with covid is far more likely to spread it.

I'm glad the SW have some protection but I'd rather have masks in classrooms too.

mrshoho · 27/08/2021 22:03

@Peteycat

Yes salted, I get it now. Its just I can't understand why posters assume everyone will agree to the injection.
I don't think posters do assume that. Surely they are referring to those that choose to. No one has mentioned compulsory vaccination.
Peteycat · 27/08/2021 22:06

Masks in communal areas won't halt much transmission as the communal areas are quick periods of transition between lessons. Spending 1-2 hours in the same (probably not well ventilated) room as an unmasked person with covid is far more likely to spread it.

I'm glad the SW have some protection but I'd rather have masks in classrooms too.

Are you a student? Why would you rather masks in classrooms? Do you honestly think that is good for kids for six hours a day???

Peteycat · 27/08/2021 22:08

Mrshoho, it's the way it's said on here. Like it's just a given that most will. That's what I get from it anyway, perhaps you don't. I definitely do.

Hercisback · 27/08/2021 22:11

I'm a teacher with hearing issues and find students wearing masks difficult. However they really did stop transmission. As soon as masks stopped being worn in our school, cases rocketed.

It's not six hours a day either. 5 hours in lessons, the rest is break/lunch which can be enjoyed mask less outside.

Thewiseoneincognito · 27/08/2021 22:16

In the next 4 months it will become crystal clear what ‘living with Covid’ looks like and if it is possible. How we manage depends on several factors such as;

Waning immunity in elderly folk and if the boosters will suffice
Schools without any mitigation measures in place
Education disruption due to sickness
Socialising more indoors with less ventilation due to colder weather
Impacts on critical services and businesses due to illness
Extremely busy hospitals with exhausted staff
Fatigued public that will be hesitant to revert to restrictions and face masks after a summer of ‘freedom’
Shortages increasing as per summer distribution issues

As you can see, it’s going to be tricky to navigate our way through this irrespective of vaccination rates. We may reach a point where we have to make some difficult decisions in order to safeguard the functioning of the nation.

It sounds ridiculous reading this now but we all know how rapidly things can spiral out of control, it would be naive to assume we’ll ride this out without any sacrifice on our part. All of that is based on us maintaining the status quo in terms of variants, all bets are off if anything worse arrives into the mix.

Peteycat · 27/08/2021 22:20

5 hours is still long enough.

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RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 27/08/2021 22:22

Nice post.

All of that is based on us maintaining the status quo in terms of variants, all bets are off if anything worse arrives into the mix.

I have listened to a few podcasts about variant stuff. Something about the spike protein or whatever on the virus (I don't understand the medical stuff in detail, but these were medical people speaking), means that general feeling is that it's unlikely to get more 'deadly' in terms of severe illness - against vaccines especially, but is more likely to be more easily transmissible.

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