Will you be angry if we end up back in lockdown?

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/ harsh restrictions?

I feel so tired of this all - but mostly tired of feeling lied to by the government. The false promises - 'irreversible' 'final lockdown until science / the vaccines can save the day'

And Scotland are already floating more restrictions, only a few weeks after reopening. It's gutting. I wish they would just tell us what the probably already know is likely to happen over the next few months.

Lockdowns aren't inevitable but the more people like that think like you and that don't get vaccinated, the more likely we'll need restrictions because you'll be clogging up the NHS.

@Thewiseoneincognito

I'm so sick of 'the not so wise nanny nut nuts' speaking as if what they think is fact.

@Thewiseoneincognito

Unless we have a complete cure (we don’t, yet) then we have to accept lockdowns as inevitable, especially in the colder months.

Covid really doesn’t care about jobs, the economy, mental health, education, international travel or socialising. That’s the raw truth and we have to come to terms with that, we can not reason with a virus or play by our own rules and expect it to follow along.

The public have been misled into believing vaccines were the end of this, two jabs and it’s over, free again. Truth of the matter is vaccines can not be solely relied upon to keep case numbers manageable particularly in the colder months.

An unstable health system in a nation which heavily relies upon it is a risk to the day to day functioning of the country. A near collapsed NHS would be a catastrophe we can not risk experiencing, Covid untamed without restrictions would be detrimental to us all.

We really, really don't have to accept that - and nor should we. And the vast majority of people won't - I don't know anyone that complied completely with last January's lockdown and that was pre vaccines for most people.

You do what you want as you obviously don't give a damn about the people who have died and will keep dying from lockdowns, the rest of us will get on with enjoying life.

Covid is inevitable

@Greenhand the way you nonchantly say other than for economic reasons means I dont think you get the actual impact your belief shutting indoor venues over the summer would have. Those economic reasons underpin our society without them there would be no NHS for us to try and save. So many places wouldnt survive it the consequences would be huge and it would simply kick the can down the road.

Lockdowns are not a cure either - NSW and Melbourne have been in fairly harsh lockdowns and it is still rising there.

Covid really doesn’t care about jobs, the economy, mental health, education, international travel or socialising. That’s the raw truth and we have to come to terms with that, we can not reason with a virus or play by our own rules and expect it to follow along.

That's not the 'raw truth'. It's a silly way of anthropomorphising a virus which doesn't 'care' about anything other than reproducing itself.

You could reverse it and say that jobs, the economy, mental health, education, international travel or socialising don't care about the virus. Just been watching Sky News headlines. Not one mention. The world is moving on. Maybe you should too.

[quote nynynynyny]@Thewiseoneincognito

I'm so sick of 'the not so wise nanny nut nuts' speaking as if what they think is fact. [/quote]
No so wise. That’s a new one 🙄

I don’t claim to be the oracle of Covid, it doesn’t take a genius to read between the lines to see the shit storm we’re sleep walking into.

@Thewiseoneincognito there's been quite a lot of news articles this week (Daily Mail doesn't count as news btw) about how things will actually be OK and it's very unlikely we'd need tough restrictions to manage this wave.

@Thewiseoneincognito here's one

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/02/england-covid-epidemic-has-de-facto-ended-means/

Ahhhh, not "the virus doesn't care" again?!

The virus is not a sentient being.

@Thewiseoneincognito

Unless we have a complete cure (we don’t, yet) then we have to accept lockdowns as inevitable, especially in the colder months.

Covid really doesn’t care about jobs, the economy, mental health, education, international travel or socialising. That’s the raw truth and we have to come to terms with that, we can not reason with a virus or play by our own rules and expect it to follow along.

The public have been misled into believing vaccines were the end of this, two jabs and it’s over, free again. Truth of the matter is vaccines can not be solely relied upon to keep case numbers manageable particularly in the colder months.

An unstable health system in a nation which heavily relies upon it is a risk to the day to day functioning of the country. A near collapsed NHS would be a catastrophe we can not risk experiencing, Covid untamed without restrictions would be detrimental to us all.

No no no no no. Lockdowns are not inevitable, they are a political choice. We can choose to sacrifice everything for the sake of reducing covid spread through endless lockdowns, or we can accept that covid is another virus like many others that we all have to live with, and move on to other things. Sadly illness and death are a part of life and we cannot entirely eliminate or control these things. That is the “raw truth” that we all have to come to terms with, whether we choose to implement more lockdowns or not.

No no no no no. .. We can choose to sacrifice everything for the sake of reducing covid spread through endless lockdowns, or we can accept that covid is another virus like many others that we all have to live with, and move on to other things.

or we could adopt a reasonable middle path, with vaccines / mitigations/ working from home/ masks when appropriate. That seems to be what a very large number of people are doing, doesn't it?

Sadly illness and death are a part of life and we cannot entirely eliminate or control these things. That is the “raw truth” that we all have to come to terms with, whether we choose to implement more lockdowns or not.

Well yes we are all going to die.

We have modern medicine though, most people see that as a good thing, and it is largely devoted to diminishing illness & its effects and postponing death.

We aren't going to bin all that and why should we?

@herecomesthsun

No no no no no. .. We can choose to sacrifice everything for the sake of reducing covid spread through endless lockdowns, or we can accept that covid is another virus like many others that we all have to live with, and move on to other things.

or we could adopt a reasonable middle path, with vaccines / mitigations/ working from home/ masks when appropriate. That seems to be what a very large number of people are doing, doesn't it?

Sadly illness and death are a part of life and we cannot entirely eliminate or control these things. That is the “raw truth” that we all have to come to terms with, whether we choose to implement more lockdowns or not.

Well yes we are all going to die.

We have modern medicine though, most people see that as a good thing, and it is largely devoted to diminishing illness & its effects and postponing death.

We aren't going to bin all that and why should we?

Of course! The problem is there is no consensus around what measures are “reasonable” and that is the conversation we need to have, instead of pretending there is only one logical/ acceptable view. For example, I think (voluntary) vaccines and medial treatments and a publicly funded health service are reasonable measures. I don’t agree with forcing people to cover their faces in all public places; and certainly not children in school. Nor do I consider vaccine passports reasonable. And Of course I do not think we should abolish all modern medicine!

@Bizawit The problem is there is no consensus around what measures are “reasonable”

And there never will be. What is "reasonable" for one person, isn't for another.

Eg. People who don't go to nightclubs and don't know people working in them will think it's "reasonable" for nightclubs to be closed down, simply because it doesn't affect them.

Likewise, those who didn't suffer financially in the lockdowns will generally think that future lockdowns are "reasonable". But those who did suffer, i.e. the 3 million excluded self employed, will be wholeheartedly against lockdowns as it cripples them financially!

@user1497207191 yes of course - I am agreeing with you. We live in a diverse and pluralistic society and there will always be competing interests at play. We try to seek balance and compromise through our democratic political system. Our political systems depends on recognising that diversity and being able to have a mature debate, not just one side declaring their preferred solution “inevitable”, and calling all who disagree ignorant/ stupid/ anti-science/ genocidal (and all the other toxic and ridiculous crap getting thrown around) and introducing increasingly coercive and draconian legal mandates to force people to comply regardless of their individual situations. This type of thing is more suited to a totalitarian state; and I for one would rather not live in one of those.

I'll be furious if we have a fourth lockdown because our government's denial of reality - and refusal to accept that in order to live with the virus you have to control the transmission of the virus - always leads to a lockdown.

The sooner they learn, the sooner we get as much of our lives back as is reasonable in a global pandemic of this severity.

You can't "just go back to normal".

Because the virus hasn't gone anywhere.

Op I haven’t read the whole thread but in answer to your question - No I wouldn’t be angry as I’m expecting it to happen & would be pretty surprised actually if there wasn’t another lockdown this winter. I have been busy doing as much as I can while the freedom is currently here. It’s frustrating yes, but I can’t see there not being another lockdown.

I'm expecting lockdowns to continue for as many years as it takes for this government to learn from its mistakes and put in place an effective covid strategy.

Or for the electorate to learn from its mistakes and eject a competent government.

@PrincessNutNuts

I'm expecting lockdowns to continue for as many years as it takes for this government to learn from its mistakes and put in place an effective covid strategy.

Or for the electorate to learn from its mistakes and eject a competent government.

What do you think "an effective covid strategy" looks like?

How many industries will it mean are closed down for good?

How many billions would it cost?

Or for the electorate to learn from its mistakes and eject a competent government.

What a smashing typo.

I'll be furious if we have a fourth lockdown because our government's denial of reality - and refusal to accept that in order to live with the virus you have to control the transmission of the virus - always leads to a lockdown.

"Always"? Really? So the virus pandemics we have had in the last 140 years or so have always led to lockdowns, despite something being dreamt up by the Chinese early in 2019? They're not normally a country we care to emulate.

@fairydust11 do you read the news?

go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/02/england-covid-epidemic-has-de-facto-ended-means/

Quite sad for you if you're expecting it, pummelled into fear and acceptance of your life being restricted for the forseeable future.

@fairydust11 why can't you see there not being another lockdown? Based on what?

Your experiences last year? When no one was vaccinated? Or scientific predictions?

As currently there aren't any that predict the need for another lockdown.

@fairydust11

Op I haven’t read the whole thread but in answer to your question - No I wouldn’t be angry as I’m expecting it to happen & would be pretty surprised actually if there wasn’t another lockdown this winter. I have been busy doing as much as I can while the freedom is currently here. It’s frustrating yes, but I can’t see there not being another lockdown.

I do wish people would bloody drop this resigned acceptance of lockdowns aka restrictions on their peacetime liberty unparalleled in modern history. Just think a little about what you're saying.

@nynynynyny yes I do thank you 😊 I think it’s sadder to hand on heart believe we won’t have a future lockdown. The government are going to use the power of lockdown as a way of control again & again - there will always be a new variant, not enough vaccines etc, etc…to ensure a lockdown happens. In my opinion it’s better to get my head around and prepare for that, than bury my head in the sand believing this isn’t going to happen.

So the words "protest" and "fuck that" don't feature in your vocabulary?

@HesterShaw1

So the words "protest" and "fuck that" don't feature in your vocabulary?

Yes of course it’s a fucking ridiculous situation but to think it’s not going to happen is equally as ridiculous.