Will you be angry if we end up back in lockdown?

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/ harsh restrictions?

I feel so tired of this all - but mostly tired of feeling lied to by the government. The false promises - 'irreversible' 'final lockdown until science / the vaccines can save the day'

And Scotland are already floating more restrictions, only a few weeks after reopening. It's gutting. I wish they would just tell us what the probably already know is likely to happen over the next few months.

Sorry for the Guardian link, but here's a particularly disturbing quote from a member of SAGE regarding the return of schools:

"Danny Altmann, professor of Immunology at Imperial and a member of the Sage immunology taskforce, echoed Michie’s predictions. He said that despite the vaccine rollout, the UK was in a “way, way worse situation than we were last August heading into autumn” as schools and universities prepared to go back."

(www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn)

They’re always a bit ‘doom and gloom’ though, aren’t they.

Ah, Nanny, it’s you. No surprise it’s the ‘doom and gloom’ you’re focussing on then!

@Delatron

It can’t be an effective ‘tool in the box’ (did you mean emergency measure?) if very few comply can it? As it won’t work....

Polls always come out overwhelmingly in favour of restrictions.

Even when cases were still at the ~2000 level (seems a long time ago, doesn't it?), the majority wanted masks and SD to stay.

[quote NannyAndJohn]Sorry for the Guardian link, but here's a particularly disturbing quote from a member of SAGE regarding the return of schools:

"Danny Altmann, professor of Immunology at Imperial and a member of the Sage immunology taskforce, echoed Michie’s predictions. He said that despite the vaccine rollout, the UK was in a “way, way worse situation than we were last August heading into autumn” as schools and universities prepared to go back."

(www.theguardian.com/education/2021/aug/28/freshers-week-parties-could-cause-huge-jump-in-covid-cases-scientists-warn)[/quote]
Did you link the right article? This is about freshers week not schools going back?

@bumbleymummy

They’re always a bit ‘doom and gloom’ though, aren’t they.

So do you expect SAGE to go against their scientific findings?

Didn't read the article, did you @Bordois?

Here's another quote:

"He said he understood the pressure to return to normal after students had been “horrifically short-changed” over the past year and a half. But looking at the case numbers and demographics, he added: “It feels like another case of wishful thinking – mind over matter that somehow there’s going to be some miracle and it’s all going to be OK. From my knowledge, I can’t see how or why it should be OK.”"

Yes, I did read it. Its about freshers weeks.

More broadly, it concerns the impact of significantly increasing mixing levels during a global pandemic with sky high cases.

Hence the quotes.

So not, as you claimed, about the return of schools.

You can brazen it out as much as you want, but everyone can actually see that the article you quoted is discussing freshers week.

@NannyAndJohn you mean their models? Neil Fergusson doesn’t have the best success rate with his predictions does he?

Didn’t he predict 100,000 cases a day for august?

Didn’t he predict 100,000 cases a day for august?

Nanny predicted 100k cases a day for 21st June, then July, then sometime in August 😉

Neil has competition!

No as I'm expecting it and as a CEV person, I'd actually welcome it if cases go up too much. Rather be safe than get Covid. Too many people I know have died from it or been severely impacted by it.

Neil at least admitted he was wrong...

If that were the case, then it surely would
be more appropriate to restrict civil liberties to those who haven't been jabbed than to extend it to the whole population.

Restrict civil liberties to a section of the community based on their medical choices? WTF

Yes @NannyAndJohn I think that is true that most are in favour of restrictions because as said earlier we want the sense of security that we can do something, that we can fight it, we can beat it. The idea that we are in a war with it and the whole rhetoric has been across the world that if we do xyz it will be ok that we can overcome this

But the brutal truth is that this is a virus, it isn’t a war and it is now a virus from whom we have to accept it isn’t going anywhere

That isn’t to say I think there aren’t things we can do, boosters, 12-15 year olds measures that can work (schools for example masks communal areas, no assemblies etc)

Also England numbers are fairly stable and falling slightly so we have for now I think weathered the big reopening now onto education

@purplebatbear I think you might not understand the devastation lockdown causes to be so flippant about it.

You can make decisions to protect yourself if you are CEV but for the majority catching Covid is not worse than a lockdown.

How do people think we will continue to pay for a functioning NHS if we lockdown repeatedly for years....

@NannyAndJohn given some (inc) you predicted 100k cases during the summer but we are actually at much lower levels then arguably we are in a better position then we thought we'd be.

Obviously you will find a way to make that a negative thing because you know, it's you.

@NannyAndJohn

Do you not at least accept it’s a positive thing that we haven’t hit 100K cases a day yet? As others said, you were posting for months about how we would hit them by X point, and how deaths would escalate into their thousands. Obviously I don’t have a crystal ball and that may still come, but it hasn’t yet, and surely that’s a good thing?

I remember you posted recently saying you are still only going out for essentials and still doing most socialising on Zoom. Your posts used to seriously annoy me but having read that I think I try and see them through the lens of someone who is suffering from quite extreme anxiety. I’m sure you’ll deny that and say that you’re right and following the science and everyone else is burying their head in the sand etc. And of course, I could have totally misremembered what you said!

I just think… you must be able to feel relief that the awful things you have been predicting for months haven’t yet happened? Do you ever try looking for the good? I think it would help.,

I really don't think there will be another lockdown. The number of cases is irrelevant; what matters is the number of hospitalizations and deaths. We have to learn to live with Covid, just like we do with other potentially deadly viruses like flu.

Most wanted masks to stay in polls most didn’t continue to wear them when they became options (no poll required I can look around me) what people say they want and their behaviour don’t match we have created a world where saying “I want strict covid restrictions” is the cool thing to say but actually people do not seem to live by that mantra when given the choice.

Yes polls will say people want another lockdown because they perceive it as the socially acceptable position where people actually comply though? I have always thought vaccinations changed compliance because basically another lockdown has no end point and will be perminant as there is no way out of it (maybe the creation of a better vaccine but that may or may not happen) so people will say yes great idea then quietly go about living their lives in a way that works because they cannot stay away from friends abs family indefinitely.

The problem with Nancy et al is they have no one they care about so no one they would miss is cut off for them for ever so do t get why people will not comply with her long term lockdown!

I will not be complying in terms of restricting family visits etc. That ship has sailed now for many people.

There’s a huge difference between wearing masks and being in lockdown and not seeing family and friends...@NannyAndJohn

We’ve lifted most restrictions. We have delta circulating. Yet still we’re nowhere near the 100k cases. Cases don’t really matter if they’re not translating in to a high death rate.

Also, where are all the new variants?!