Will this level of cases now just be acceptable?

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Just having a think to myself. We're now at around 30k cases a day in general. The 7 day average daily deaths is about 89 (this was for around 45-50k cases a day). We can assume that I a month or so deaths will be at around 60 a day.

Over a year that works out at about 21k worth of deaths. Will this just be the acceptable number. We know the vaccine doesn't stop the spread so I highly doubt were ever just going to get down to sub 5k cases a day again.

21k is considered a very mild flu death rate for the year. We have a new virus around now so more deaths a year are going to be a thing whether we like it or not.

I also think red list countries should only be for countries with worrying variants. If I don't have to isolate if my wife tests positive (just daily testing) then why on earth would I have to spend 1500 on a government hotel to quarantine as I've been to a country with a lower covid rate than us?

Sorry about the rant.

@Peteycat

Since when have kids been getting ill and hospitalised from covid 3asabird??

Theres been 1000 kids hospital admissions for covid during July 2021 within the UK as well as other respiratory illness. Sadly couple of died.

The argument is only affects small amount of kids but massively high infections rates me that small number becomes larger.

Theres account on twitter that regularly posts the kids cases.
The mainstream media hardly cover it.
Theres been huge issues in USA with kids and the delta strain.
Many UK children's hospital and accident and emergency are under significant pressure as our city children hospital said don't come unless vital.
People still having huge issues even getting routine gp appointments.

If the NHS collapses to or won't be only decision not to treat all adults but all kids.
School is 1 mass gathering.
No distancing, no masks no vaccination increased chances of getting covid and many kids have experienced long covid so symptoms after 12 weeks

twitter.com/JuliaDiamantis/status/1429836530500214786?s=20

I smell BS.

Is that 1000 Covid admissions WITH Covid? I can honestly say there has not been 1000 admissions of kids FOR Covid in UK Hospitals. That is utter crap

@Pootle40

Is that 1000 Covid admissions WITH Covid? I can honestly say there has not been 1000 admissions of kids FOR Covid in UK Hospitals. That is utter crap

Have you even bothered to look at the government's own stats?

Did you seriously think no children were admitted with Covid? They have been all along. In very small percentages - so it only becomes a problem when you have high cases. Like now - and going forwards.

@3asAbird,

I don’t think you are reading that chart correctly. It looks like about 55 admissions at most per week for children.

This concurs with a paper quoted in the independent fairly recently that said 5,830 children had been admitted since the start of the pandemic.

However it is a non-zero number, and if infections were to increase dramatically, we could easily see hundreds of weekly admissions.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@3asAbird,

I don’t think you are reading that chart correctly. It looks like about 55 admissions at most per week for children.

This concurs with a paper quoted in the independent fairly recently that said 5,830 children had been admitted since the start of the pandemic.

However it is a non-zero number, and if infections were to increase dramatically, we could easily see hundreds of weekly admissions.[/quote]
I thought it was 50/week also.

The tweet says 129/3 days though.

I am going to try to find the graph I saw but I am not hopeful as it was in July...

Thank you to those that clarified that graph.

The problem I have at the moment is people like 3asabird who are regurgitating absolute nonsense.

I now know that some children may have been admitted, and I really do hope they are OK and no more are.

No I didn't think that at all, I just wondered why she was saying it like I was missing something?

I obviously know they have, but low cases. I imagine those children have underlying health issues too.

3asabird you have clearly stated non facts. Now you are saying on the basis of that no masks, sd etc will contribute. Your data facts are invalid.

Meant to say I'm first post I now know how many. It's just that 3asabird scared me because I thought I was missing something she knew about.

I imagine those children have underlying health issues too.

I hate the 'othering' that this phrase implies.

I have a life expectancy of c. 90 years, based on the longevity of my entire family.

However, as i have an 'underlying health issue' - mild asthma - if I were to die from Covid tomorrow, in my early 50s (so 40 years 'early'), it would be treated and recorded statistically as 'not surprising or worrying, because she had an underlying health issue'.

I very much doubt that every child who has ended up in hospital with Covid this year has an 'underlying health condition' that would ROUTINELY have led to hospitalisation within the relevant 12 months.

There are many issues with delta variant and children, especially younger ones. The main one is infectiousness. COVID has well adapted itself to its human hosts, especially children, who might have initially found it hard to catch. This is definitely no longer the case.

Even with COVID, on the whole, not being serious for children, it is for a few. A tiny percentage of a huge number is still worrying for hospitals. The other problem is the annual bugbear of RSV (the bronchiolitis virus), which fills up PICUs every winter. Bronchiolitis combined with COVID is dangerous for children.

There is an interesting (and slightly worrying) article linked below:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619712/

Personally, I think the sooner we vaccinate all children the better (or at least give families the option).

I think it was an earlier version of this graph I saw before term ended: twitter.com/jneill - stating 842 so far in August.

I do not know who they are (sorry) but the figures are the ONS figures I think?

@cantkeepawayforever

I imagine those children have underlying health issues too.

I hate the 'othering' that this phrase implies.

I have a life expectancy of c. 90 years, based on the longevity of my entire family.

However, as i have an 'underlying health issue' - mild asthma - if I were to die from Covid tomorrow, in my early 50s (so 40 years 'early'), it would be treated and recorded statistically as 'not surprising or worrying, because she had an underlying health issue'.

I very much doubt that every child who has ended up in hospital with Covid this year has an 'underlying health condition' that would ROUTINELY have led to hospitalisation within the relevant 12 months.

Agree with this.

It is done to keep the fear of it happening to 'my child' at bay.

I saw it described somewhere as the covid equivalent of 'what was she wearing'!

I don't know why you have taken offence to my comment when the government have told us repeatedly that vulnerable people including children will be affected more. I didn't set out to offend anyone, it's just that the poster was making out like loads of children are being admitted when that just simply isn't the case.

Whereas my experience of CEV children, must add my personal experience is that they will be affected more by circulating viruses. I never said its done to keep fear at bay.

@lannistunut,

The best I can find is below:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

If you scroll down, it gives the cases per 100,000 by age. It looks like 0-4 years old 3/100,000, 5-14 1/100,000 and 15-24, again 3/100,000.

On the basis of 12,000,000 children and 2/100,000, that would imply 240 admitted in that week.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@lannistunut,

The best I can find is below:

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals

If you scroll down, it gives the cases per 100,000 by age. It looks like 0-4 years old 3/100,000, 5-14 1/100,000 and 15-24, again 3/100,000.

On the basis of 12,000,000 children and 2/100,000, that would imply 240 admitted in that week.[/quote]
Which is 34/day - and actually would give c.1,000 in a month.

@Peteycat

Thank you to those that clarified that graph.

The problem I have at the moment is people like 3asabird who are regurgitating absolute nonsense.

I now know that some children may have been admitted, and I really do hope they are OK and no more are.

Peteycat/ pootle no interest in having a row or scare mongering . I understand might be a shock and you shooting the messenger. Also mainsteam media and government are not exactly highlighting this. I can't unfortunately find original link but was mentioned a few times on twitter by

Tigress Ellie

Long covid kids
Independent sage
Parents United on Facebook.
Possibly in the Independent one if few newspapers doing a good job and channel 4 has done numerous peices on covid and kids.

Cant find original link.

Usa and Indonesia seen massive in increase in delta varient in kids.

The bmj sais rsv on rise usually just winter

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2078

Bmj said July was worst for kids covid and admissions.
Average 53 cases per day and 31 days in July so 1000plus child admissions .

blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/20/christina-pagel-schools-a-gaping-hole-in-the-english-covid-strategy/

My city had worst case in schools yet in June and July with over 2000 kids off with covid or self isolating 4% student population.
My sons class had 11 cases at primary it spread to siblings and vaccinated parents.
At the same time local children's hospital were saying please don't visit unless essential.

Found it don't like to be accused being innacurate

Was said on twitter and others said same think over 1000 child hospital admissions during month of July in entire UK so includes devolved nation s.

Admissions by age at the bottom of the page. You can download the spreadsheet:

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

Admissions for age 0-17 = 1142 for July.

So my memory of 50/day was not an error!

It's England data and is the number of patients admitted with COVID-19 and number of inpatients diagnosed with COVID-19

@lannistunut

So my memory of 50/day was not an error!

Well, you were a bit high. Mainly in the 30- 50 range with a few days around the 20 mark.

@lannistunut

So my memory of 50/day was not an error!

Thanks for trying to explain Bmj said 53 admissions on average every day in July 2021. I assume the British medical journal are legitimate and not scaremongering lying trolls I respect them as they are uk doctors.

I was shocked myself how high it was.
As it wasn't being reported in the media.
But the sheer amount of kids off school and cases in all 3of my children's school summer term was so stressful.
I feel really anxious about mine going back on sept .
Eldest is gcse year and not 16 until Feb but not classified as vulnerable with standard ashma so urge me to get flu jab but deny covid 19.
Have 1 year 7 starter. 1 year 6 and one starting nursery school so hardly been exposed any bugs she be 3.5 when she starts.

Bristol was case of we were OK then we were not and 3rd wave was highest.
The south west region currently has highest amount cases in the UK.

If July was 1000 plus what if when school go back and its 3000 kids would that be acceptable as long as not your child? They had underlying conditions or someone you know then you don't believe it.