Do you think we will be locked down this autumn/winter?

[SparklesandGold]

I wouldn’t like this to happen but I can’t help but think it will.

What do you all think?

I wonder if you’d have said the same do she’s fought a died of covid alone in a hospital?

Probably not

Just because she was lucky doesn’t mean everyone else will be, or haven’t been.

@FloFloFloFloFlo

Are some of you actually for real? How have we reached a place where we have such a lack of compassion for one another?

There is a balance to be struck between protecting the vulnerable and ensuring that they are adequately protected whilst ensuring businesses can continue to operate profitably. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

What would that balance look like for you?

It would be my ideal, but I'm stumped for ideas on how to make it work. I'd be fine with things like continuing masks on public transport and in shops, and have decided to still wear one myself in those contexts as things stand, but then cases were rising before we stopped that anyway so it's not like that was doing a great deal.

I'd also be willing to pay for people to isolate, though I accept that would lead to a degree of faking. And to pay for ECV people to be able to stay at home and wait it out, and beef up employment protections for them too, although I understand this group may not be happy with that as a solution. But I'd be ok with paying a bit more tax for those things to be achieved. It still doesn't seem like this would achieve either adequate protection or profitable business operation though.

That's not to say there aren't things that could've been done better in the last 18 months (and well before that, so we weren't as completely fucked as we are now in terms of achieving proper ventilation in schools for example). From the point where we're at now though, it's hard to see how the balance you mention could be achieved. I'm not confident at all that we can manage either, let alone both.

No, unless Lambda becomes problematic. We may have return of masks for certain indoor events, but Lockdowns-no.

@SparklesandGold

I wouldn’t like this to happen but I can’t help but think it will.

What do you all think?

Depends where you live. Aus and NZ definitely, UK I don’t think so.

We can still look at more ventilation in schools/ more time outside/ can we reduce class size a bit.

Wearing masks in crowded situations will help.

Vaccination over 12 for children and families who want it (esp if risk factors).

Working from home widely accepted.

Careful thought around border controls.

I think some families will want and need to get together at Christmas (if someone has a terminal illness for example) others will want to protect vulnerable members by not getting together and it's hard to judge people either way.

It's really good that we have vaccines to the extent we have and some common sense & decency will see us through the next winter.

For all that people say on here that no one wears masks any more, that's really not the case in our home town and it wasn't the case when we went away to a big city either.

And this sort of precaution will protect against covid and flu and RSV as well, at least to some extent.

[quote herecomesthsun]@IcedPurple I don't know, the person who said that they would be prepared for vulnerable people to die so that they could re-open didn't actually say what they did?[/quote]
I suspect that was in response to a deliberately goady and provocative question.

Kind of curious as to why you didn't ask what this horrible scary business is, seeing as you seemed to take it quite personally.

@Sparklingbrook

If everyone on this thread says 'no' then that will be enough for there not to be one.

🤣🤣Why did it not work for the last lockdown? Seriously no one can say it there will be another lockdown, im cautiously hopeful there wont be, but if numbers rise and hospitalizations so much thats its threatening the NHS, then there will be no other option, but fingers crossed this doesn't happen

@herecomesthsun Both my brother and myself have had our vaccines but my 85 parents are refusing to. Should i just never see them again..
71 year old DH dosnt want it either. I cant change this. So whats your solution?

I suspect that was in response to a deliberately goady and provocative question.

no it wasn't

Kind of curious as to why you didn't ask what this horrible scary business is, seeing as you seemed to take it quite personally.

The other person introduced the idea of me dying, which is in a way personal.

I think I congratulated them on their honesty, as I think this sort of issue underlies a lot of the discussion on here but is seldom discussed.

I wasn't particularly annoyed. I mean, what can you say?

No point making the discussion even more personal.

[quote MercyBooth]@herecomesthsun Both my brother and myself have had our vaccines but my 85 parents are refusing to. Should i just never see them again..
71 year old DH dosnt want it either. I cant change this. So whats your solution?[/quote]
I don't have a solution, I'm afraid.

I'd encourage them to get vaccinated, if they were my family & it was possible to have that conversation. And I'd hope they don't get ill.

it's really good you had your vaccine.

I was never against the vaccine I just couldnt have the AZ. Now its time for the Government to put their money where there mouths are re. public health and tackle poor housing. Because im very sure it wasnt just rhetoric to ensure vaccine uptake!

www.itv.com/news/2021-08-17/residents-anger-as-clarion-cleared-despite-slum-conditions-on-housing-estate

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