Do you think we will be locked down this autumn/winter?

[SparklesandGold]

I wouldn’t like this to happen but I can’t help but think it will.

What do you all think?

If people don’t have to isolate when a close contact and everything is open I can’t see how we won’t end up with some measures in winter.
We followed all the rules and would do so again and play our part.

There is recognition of public support falling for lockdown.

If it’s needed because flu healthcare is too much for system it’s said we wouldn’t support it.

It’s part of the reason why infections are now not winter.

[quote PaulGallico]@XenoBitch won't comply with any future restrictions and refuses the vaccination - lovely![/quote]
Where did I say anything about vaccination?

I also said I wont comply with not mixing with people in my own home. I can't force non-essential shops to open etc.

@herecomesthsun

Yes, someone on here put that they would be happy to see me die if their business could re-open...

I think most anti-lockdowners don't manage that level of honesty.

Of course, business wouldn't do very well in the situations we saw in Italy or India either. There is a balance to be had, in a number of ways.

Sadly, the "balance" hasn't happened over the past 18 months. Lots of business owners have lost their livelihoods due to the restrictions and lack of a coherent/logical support package. We're not taking Richard Branson making millions, we're talking about electricians, stage sound technicians, window cleaners, etc - i.e. "normal" people who earn their "wage" from their businesses, not millionaires!

Would you sacrifice your wage/pension to save the life of someone you don't know. That sounds like what you want others to do for you.

Would you sacrifice your wage/pension to save the life of someone you don't know. That sounds like what you want others to do for you

Well???????????????

Not full lockdown but def will bring some restrictions back

How can some posters state with certainty that there will be another lockdown/restrictions/variant? How are they privy to this information when the rest of us aren’t?

@RosaMoline

How can some posters state with certainty that there will be another lockdown/restrictions/variant? How are they privy to this information when the rest of us aren’t?

Exactly. @boobot1 hasn't returned with a link or anything, and was very sure.

I honestly believe there will never be a lock down again due to covid-19.

It depends on whether the NHS will be able to cope with increased hospitalisations. It's inevitable that case numbers will increase from September when schools/Unis go back and more people start working from the office. But if higher cases do not lead to overwhelmed hospitals then there should be no need to 'lock down'.
However, the NHS needs capacity to deal with non-covid care too (e.g. millions on waiting lists) and I don't know what the threshold on admissions are for the NHS being able to 'cope'.

@vaxmeup

It depends on whether the NHS will be able to cope with increased hospitalisations. It's inevitable that case numbers will increase from September when schools/Unis go back and more people start working from the office. But if higher cases do not lead to overwhelmed hospitals then there should be no need to 'lock down'. However, the NHS needs capacity to deal with non-covid care too (e.g. millions on waiting lists) and I don't know what the threshold on admissions are for the NHS being able to 'cope'.

Life threatening conditions, yes, need to continue as normal, around Covid. But, I'd hope that the NHS/Management/Politicians have learned from earlier peaks and can find ways of dealing with other things alongside covid.

Not so sure we should be locking down the country, spending hundreds of billions on furlough, making people redundant and crippling small business owners, to keep covid hospitalisations low so Aunt Doris can have a hip replacement though, which although "urgent" isn't life threatening and could simply be delayed.

Likewise with covid - we should now have a better idea as to who can and who can't be treated and saved. Is there really any point in putting an already ill person into an ICU be to keep them alive a few days/weeks longer, when it's almost inevitable they'll die anyway?

We need to move onto a system of prioritising treatment (whether covid or otherwise) for those in greatest need, with the highest chance of success.

National lockdown no not unless something massively changes
Localised measures and restrictions - possibly

[quote HarryLimeFoxtrot]@Antinerak
I hope if there are spikes in cases and deaths they'll lockdown over Christmas to slow down or prevent the worst of it.

I will be seeing my family at Christmas irrespective of whether or not it is legal. I’m not missing a second consecutive one for anything. Life is too short for that shit.[/quote]
And the rest of us will stay safely at home to keep our loved ones and strangers alive :) Hope you have a lovely time

@User1357

I honestly believe there will never be a lock down again due to covid-19.

Same

And the rest of us will stay safely at home to keep our loved ones and strangers alive

Knock yourselves out.

@MercyBooth

Would you sacrifice your wage/pension to save the life of someone you don't know. That sounds like what you want others to do for you

Well???????????????

Sorry, doing other stuff & no internet connection for a while.

I appreciate that a lot of people have suffered greatly and there has been much good heartedness on the part of many people.

However, in terms of the government we have, I really don't think that lockdowns were primarily about protecting vulnerable people. This government would have allowed many more CEV people to die if a) their arrangements had suited big business and b) they could have got away with it.

CEV / elderly people dying in even large numbers than they already have would have been very inconvenient, clogging up hospitals & morgues , and buggered up the economy even more.

I think it really has been an attempt to open up as much as possible - for the aforesaid business owners' wages and pensions etc. - and that has been a forefront, probably THE foremost government consideration.

So the planning has really been about necessity in the face of the impending breakdown of various systems in society rather than deliberate sacrifice.

I expect little from this government & the people who voted them in.

And our household income has been very substantially reduced also. And yes, I have made decisions against my own financial interest because I thought it was the right thing to do.

So that’s a very very wordy way of saying no.
You wouldn’t and you didn’t.

The lockdowns were about saving society for everyone.

And yes we have ALL made sacrifices.

It is a mad question really.

Have I personally made sacrifices? yes huge ones

Have I lost income? yes over half

Would I act to save other people lives I don't know? Yes I have.

Oh and would I want other people to die so that my business could reopen? I'd probably rather change my business to be honest.

But I can see how people would think like that after the past 18 months.

Are some of you actually for real? How have we reached a place where we have such a lack of compassion for one another?

There is a balance to be struck between protecting the vulnerable and ensuring that they are adequately protected whilst ensuring businesses can continue to operate profitably. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

@herecomesthsun

Oh and would I want other people to die so that my business could reopen? I'd probably rather change my business to be honest.

But I can see how people would think like that after the past 18 months.

What is this evil business which will cause people to 'drop like flies' - to use an MN favourite - the minute it reopens?

Not sure they’ll have compliance this winter for a lockdown but who knows! I know many who will not isolate from family again irrespective of what happens. My great aunt never once complied with rules, which we all thought was bonkers, particularly at the beginning.

She died yesterday suddenly of a heart attack and now we're all glad she didn’t spend her last year or two on this Earth hiding away. She was 83 and said she wouldn’t be locking down for no one.

@IcedPurple I don't know, the person who said that they would be prepared for vulnerable people to die so that they could re-open didn't actually say what they did?