How can it possibly be a good idea to NOT isolate if a household member tests positive?

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As the new rules will allow?

I think it's absolute madness.

We've all had positives over the last three weeks and even though we are all double jabbed, the illness is really, really nasty.

We all tested positive about 5
Days apart, like bloody dominos.

I just can't believe what destruction we would have unleashed had we not had to isolate.

I totally agree with you, OP.

Just listening to Stephen Reicher who reiterated that there is strong advice to do PCR test if close contact to positive case.

He said people have been good at being cautious post July 19 but we need to know above advice through messaging

@MarshaBradyo

Just listening to Stephen Reicher who reiterated that there is strong advice to do PCR test if close contact to positive case.

He said people have been good at being cautious post July 19 but we need to know above advice through messaging

Given how many didn’t follow the law or guidance before, strong advice won’t work for many. Not to mention the pcr could be negative early on but they could pick it up any time after if the person is in the household.

Given how many didn’t follow the law or guidance before, strong advice won’t work for many. Not to mention the pcr could be negative early on but they could pick it up any time after if the person is in the household.

No he was clear we are good at following advice but we need to know it first.

Yes it won’t do everything but it will make a difference.

People can dismiss everything as pointless, as you have, but if we want that difference to be there then do it.

@Timeforredwine

Its absolutely ludicrous to allow this rule, the spreadvwill now be ridiculous, so its ok for someone who could be positive or a close contact to then see me, who then sees their parents, we could all end up with it even though stayed in with no life for over 18 months andcall double vaxed! People are in hospital even though vaccinated, there can be mutations due to too many infections. After all this time it is carnage to allow people to walk aroundvand potentially infect after all this time. Im fuming.

This resonates with me. It really does feel that it’s made the last eighteen months all for nothing.

If there is a plan, whether tolerating high infections in the summer to ease capacity issues in the winter or they’re officially saying vaccines have squashed the problem they need to be shouting it from the rooftops. I’m so tired of this wishy washy advice that’s all about placating and lack of accountability. It’s utter bullshit.

Genuine question not goady because I really don't know the answer, what isolation rules for both the positive person and contacts do other countries in the EU or US follow?

I'm sorry but I do wonder how some people are going to cope when the government starts charging for lfts (think they've touted end September/start october).
We're moving in to the "living with covid" phase. The first real step in this is removing the isolation for Close contacts and I would imagine that the government are hoping that slowly but surely we all stop testing for every sniffle (or even the complete absence of any symptoms). Then sometime in the next few months the only time we'll test is if we are actually seriously unwell (as in enough to go in to hospital) or if for screening (in the same way as MRSA) before being admitted, much in the same way as we do with many, many other illnesses.

@Whatever9999

I'm sorry but I do wonder how some people are going to cope when the government starts charging for lfts (think they've touted end September/start october). We're moving in to the "living with covid" phase. The first real step in this is removing the isolation for Close contacts and I would imagine that the government are hoping that slowly but surely we all stop testing for every sniffle (or even the complete absence of any symptoms). Then sometime in the next few months the only time we'll test is if we are actually seriously unwell (as in enough to go in to hospital) or if for screening (in the same way as MRSA) before being admitted, much in the same way as we do with many, many other illnesses.

Well i do hope before we move to this 'phase' that young children who are CEV are given the same rights to be protected from serious disease and hospitalisation by the vaccine as everyone else. How is it fair that we can vaccinate healthy young adults who covid presents barely a risk at all but yet we have thousands of young children still shielding 18 months into a pandemic? Is it OK that we just forget about these children until they contract covid and then we test them when they are admitted to intensive care? Or the alternative is they remain out of education for the foreseeable. The government is always keen to get all the 'vulnerable' children back into school, so many missing in education etc....but that doesn't apply if you are medically vulnerable it would seem.

It wasn't only the government. Plenty of parents touted the vulnerable kids line when they wanted schools to re-open.

@Whatever9999

I'm sorry but I do wonder how some people are going to cope when the government starts charging for lfts (think they've touted end September/start october). We're moving in to the "living with covid" phase. The first real step in this is removing the isolation for Close contacts and I would imagine that the government are hoping that slowly but surely we all stop testing for every sniffle (or even the complete absence of any symptoms). Then sometime in the next few months the only time we'll test is if we are actually seriously unwell (as in enough to go in to hospital) or if for screening (in the same way as MRSA) before being admitted, much in the same way as we do with many, many other illnesses.

People will ‘cope’ because they won’t have much choice, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

Your timeline makes sense, I don’t agree with it, but it’s comprehensible. Problem is, that’s not the official line is it? There isn’t an official line that goes into that much detail it’s all being left open to interpretation and grapevines.

You may very well be right, but you can’t back up anything in this post with anything official and if that is the policy the government are choosing to follow and it’s obvious to you then there really should be shouldn’t there? If they’re as confident as they should be to make a move like that they should be able to cope with scrutiny.

What else do you really think "living with covid" really means though? Do you honestly think that we are going to be testing on the scale we are now indefinitely? Because as a country we really can't afford to be doing that.
Also we are having to be eased away from all the restrictions, isolations and testing. There's been enough outcry and fear at each stage so far, I mean this whole thread is a case in point. Can you imagine what it would be like if it was declared that on so and so date we will also be removing the need to test.

Can you imagine what it would be like if it was declared that on so and so date we will also be removing the need to test

So you’re saying it’s okay not to have transparency because it’s hard?

No I personally don’t think testing on the scale we are currently is remotely feasible long term; however, I don’t think removing testing capability before winter, before steady vaccine impact data is available for a number of months and certainly not before the rest of the globe is showing similar stability is a wise or even slightly cautious move. I’m sure you will read that as me saying I want testing forever and ignore the fact that there are options between get rid of it and keep it.

We’ve seen how much it costs financially and socially when those in charge get it wrong, ignoring it and pretending they have answers when they don’t isn’t living with covid, it’s denying it.

This government have a proven track record during this pandemic of not facing the situation until the only measures to tackle it are costly, harmful and disruptive. This is an extension of their foolhardy approach and I’m tired of relying on luck to avert the dangers.

I do find it strange that my kids can be sharing a bedroom etc and if one of them has covid the other will be able to go to school whilst likely contagious themselves

You need to look up what isolation actually means.

There's another point in that this path will disproportionately affect working mothers. If a child gets long covid, how many parents can keep their jobs? Who do you think the majority of care will fall to? How do you afford childcare as a parent on one salary when other parent to sick to work/look after kids? It will cost us a fuck ton of money to put this right and a fuck ton of freedom and a fuck ton of health. From the off, our government has been of the let's pretend it doesn't exist. The only real way we can live with it unaffected if we are to get rid of all mitigations except vax for adults, is to hope it happens to someone else's family and not our own - that is fucked up.

Agree OP.

@BluebellsGreenbells

I do find it strange that my kids can be sharing a bedroom etc and if one of them has covid the other will be able to go to school whilst likely contagious themselves

You need to look up what isolation actually means.

That's easy to say if you live in a good-sized house with space to isolate. What can people do if they live in a small, overcrowded flat with 4, 5 or 6 people all sharing a bathroom and a small living space?

@BluebellsGreenbells

I do find it strange that my kids can be sharing a bedroom etc and if one of them has covid the other will be able to go to school whilst likely contagious themselves

You need to look up what isolation actually means.

Says someone with enough space to isolate from each other.

@BluebellsGreenbells

I do find it strange that my kids can be sharing a bedroom etc and if one of them has covid the other will be able to go to school whilst likely contagious themselves

You need to look up what isolation actually means.

What do you mean, @BluebellsGreenbells - can you be more detailed?

@beentoldcomputersaysno

There's another point in that this path will disproportionately affect working mothers. If a child gets long covid, how many parents can keep their jobs? Who do you think the majority of care will fall to? How do you afford childcare as a parent on one salary when other parent to sick to work/look after kids? It will cost us a fuck ton of money to put this right and a fuck ton of freedom and a fuck ton of health. From the off, our government has been of the let's pretend it doesn't exist. The only real way we can live with it unaffected if we are to get rid of all mitigations except vax for adults, is to hope it happens to someone else's family and not our own - that is fucked up.

I completely agree with you - the whole approach in the UK is fucked up.

@BluebellsGreenbells

I do find it strange that my kids can be sharing a bedroom etc and if one of them has covid the other will be able to go to school whilst likely contagious themselves

You need to look up what isolation actually means.

I suppose you could always put the covid positive child in the shed or under the stairs to isolate 🤷‍♀️

I did tell DH that if he wanted to isolate from me at any point he was welcome to use the shed but I wouldn't be going anywhere

Myself, husband and DD (5) all had Covid last month. I got it mild, husband worse, DD quite poorly for a week. I still think we need to move on as a county because Covid obviously isn't going to disappear and life needs to carry on. We don't isolate if a family member has flu, noro, etc.

So...someone who deals with say the elderly, can parent a young child with covid and then go and care for someone if double jabbed? Disgusting that we as a society think that's ok.

So...someone who deals with say the elderly, can parent a young child with covid and then go and care for someone if double jabbed? Disgusting that we as a society think that's ok

Here those no vaccinated can also go to work.

I agree OP that isolation of household contacts should remain.

However most people will hopefully use common sense if they are financially able to...

...is what I thought before I read this thread.