In the 1st 7 days of Aug 2020 71 people died. In the 1st 7 days of Aug 2021 620 people died.

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Even after the vaccine, deaths are 7 times worse.

Can't be bothered to find equally spurious data but the OP can fuck right off with their bollocks

@lljkk, sorry if this sounds horrid but do you think that's because most of those 'usual deaths' that would have happened this month have already died?

I'd say the minute schools reopen. If we don't then we'll get a repeat of last Autumn/Winter. And this time we'll be starting from a base of 30000 cases a day as opposed to 500.

Probably a similar number to last Winter actually. The larger number of cases and the vaccine effect will likely cancel each other out.

@JesusInTheCabbageVan sorry didn't see your post before writing my comment, great minds!

tnetenba, to some extent, yes, it's got an awful name, harvesting.

@NannyAndJohn

I'd say the minute schools reopen. If we don't then we'll get a repeat of last Autumn/Winter. And this time we'll be starting from a base of 30000 cases a day as opposed to 500.

Probably a similar number to last Winter actually. The larger number of cases and the vaccine effect will likely cancel each other out.

So you think we’ll have lockdown(s) and end up with the same result as last winter?

Or we won’t have lockdown(s) and end up with the same result as last winter?

Ah I see @NannyAndJohn where the waning immunity comes in - even with a year of vaccines and t cell immunity we are in groundhog day and are going into this winter in the same situation as last year but with higher cases.

and do you really mean lockdown or do you mean restrictions as soon as schools reopen

I think we will have a lockdown eventually, but as usual Johnson will leave it far too late.

Either way, we're preparing for a Lockdown Christmas.

@Quartz2208

and do you really mean lockdown or do you mean restrictions as soon as schools reopen

Full lockdown unfortunately. If the 21st June hadn't have gone ahead then we'd probably get away with waiting another month or so, but we really can't afford cases to rise any more.

Yet you think we can afford another lockdown? Don't you ever see the disconnect that you have where you see the dangers of COVID yet blithely say full lockdown at Christmas as if its the easiest thing in the world and as if it is a dead cert.

You seem to see that lockdowns are a solution in their own right rather than a tool of suppression designed to give more time in order to achieve something

I'm dreaming of a lockdown Christmas
Just like the ones I used to know
Where the corpses glisten and haters listen
To hear sirens in the snow
I'm dreaming of a lockdown Christmas
With every Mumsnet post I write
May your days be scary and a fright
And may all your lockdowns be shite
I'm dreaming of a lockdown Christmas
Just like the ones I used to know
Where the corpses glisten and haters listen
To hear sirens whilst blue lights glow
I'm dreaming of a lockdown Christmas
With every Mumsnet post I write
May your days be scary and a fright
And may all your lockdowns be shite

A Nanny Christmas Carol^

@NannyAndJohn

I agree with others that the comparison between the two figures isn't incredibly statistically robust, however this month's figure alone shows that:

1. We shouldn't have relaxed restrictions to the extent we did.

2. We'll be deep in the shit once schools reopen and we head into winter.

Thought you said we were going to be deep in the shit early July Aug @NannyAndJohn? So it's September now is it? Good to know See you in a few weeks for the next delay.

@NannyAndJohn

I think we will have a lockdown eventually, but as usual Johnson will leave it far too late.

Either way, we're preparing for a Lockdown Christmas.

Of course you are.

@Itsprobablynotcominghome

A Nanny Christmas Carol^

@Quartz2208

Yet you think we can afford another lockdown? Don't you ever see the disconnect that you have where you see the dangers of COVID yet blithely say full lockdown at Christmas as if its the easiest thing in the world and as if it is a dead cert.

You seem to see that lockdowns are a solution in their own right rather than a tool of suppression designed to give more time in order to achieve something

I don't think our NHS can afford a winter worse than last year's, and this year we're going to have flu to worry about as well.

Anyone who doesn't see that we should be in lockdown is fucking selfish. How hard is it just to STAY AT HOME? And why do you need to wait for the government to tell you to do it? Locking down from now till next summer is so obviously the only way forward

It's quite easy to do!

@NannyAndJohn

I'd say the minute schools reopen. If we don't then we'll get a repeat of last Autumn/Winter. And this time we'll be starting from a base of 30000 cases a day as opposed to 500.

Probably a similar number to last Winter actually. The larger number of cases and the vaccine effect will likely cancel each other out.

Have you thought about a hobby? Crochet is very good for anxiety I find.

I'm not anxious, not at all.

Just socially responsible.

@Itsprobablynotcominghome

I'm dreaming of a lockdown Christmas Just like the ones I used to know Where the corpses glisten and haters listen To hear sirens in the snow I'm dreaming of a lockdown Christmas With every Mumsnet post I write May your days be scary and a fright And may all your lockdowns be shite I'm dreaming of a lockdown Christmas Just like the ones I used to know Where the corpses glisten and haters listen To hear sirens whilst blue lights glow I'm dreaming of a lockdown Christmas With every Mumsnet post I write May your days be scary and a fright And may all your lockdowns be shite

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@NannyAndJohn

I'm not anxious, not at all.

Just socially responsible.

😂😂😂😂

@NannyAndJohn

I'm not anxious, not at all.

Just socially responsible.

But you arent though are you? You are so single mindedly focused on just one element of this the COVID/NHS side that you say we will be in a full lockdown so flippantly as if it is a walk in the park.

If you were really socially responsible you would see that there needs to be a balance between COVID/variants/Long Covid and the effects of lockdown and restrictions.

That isnt to say that keeping some measures in place wasnt sensible or indeed that they might not come in.

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

Basically I was trying to link to the Day Today swimming pool sketch - 'In 1975, no one died. In 1976, no one died...' but I think I've killed that joke now. 😔

Your posts still made me laugh and I didn’t have to open the link