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A young man I know has just died

132 replies

Sunshinesandice · 05/08/2021 08:56

Young (20s) fit healthy , struggled in hospital with Covid . Passed away a few days ago.

Life is so cruel. I also see that a fifth of hospital admissions are now younger patients .

Will this get worse ?

OP posts:
MareofBeasttown · 05/08/2021 19:22

Government propaganda? A concerted effort by every government in the world?

stellaisabella · 05/08/2021 19:24

So very sad.
Was this person vaccinated op? I'm so anxious around Covid as it is, constantly trying to remind myself vaccines will help

itsgettingwierd · 05/08/2021 19:33

I heard the news this evening about how 20% of patients in hospital are now the 19-30 age group.

The good news is how much the vaccines are proving to protect most against serious illness.

It's very sad when those younger who are unvaccinated suffer a fatal dose but I guess that a risk they took. I find it sadder for those who had first but haven't had second because they were trying to protect themselves.

Watapalava · 05/08/2021 19:40

Also 40% people in hospital with covid aren’t actually in hospital for covid

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Sunshinesandice · 05/08/2021 19:49

@FreshFreesias

So tired of these pro vax threads. I know far more people who have had life threatening side effects to the vaccine than have actually died of Covid. But just keep on with the government propaganda, OP. Literally millions of of patients suffering from cancer and other illnesses are not getting the treatment they need because of this obsession with an illness that is barely killing anyone. Shame on you.
Well aren’t you a delight
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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 05/08/2021 20:11

On 27th July, which is the latest date I can find published data for there were 5021 confirmed covid patients in hospital in England.

3855 of those were being treated primarily for covid.

The remainder of the patients (about 23% not 40%) ar being something else but with the caveat that the something else might be caused by the covid. So the best we can say seems to be that the number of people in hospital for covid who aren’t in hospital for covid is

TheTallOakTrees · 05/08/2021 20:39

@FreshFreesias

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.
Is there a particular reason for being vile? Does it take lots of practice or come naturally.

I wish you good health and a much more pleasant disposition than you currently have.

Stanlie · 05/08/2021 20:40

It's a gamble isn't it. Stay unvaccinated and you might get Covid and be totally fine, you might have post viral problems, you might die. It's the risk you take.

You never know how poorly you will be. I had flu some years ago, in my twenties, fit, slim and healthy, contracted pneumonia and was incapacitated for nearly a year. It's just how it goes

FlagsFiend · 05/08/2021 20:47

I despair sometimes with the idiotic lines anti-vax (and previously anti-lockdown) people trot out on here and elsewhere in the internet.

Treatment in hospital is not being stopped because of "an obsession with covid', but because people are ill and so taking up the beds. For anyone saying the problems in hospital are because we are obsessed with covid, are you suggesting we just don't treat covid patients? Leave them at home to possibly die so there are more spaces in hospital? As more people would die without treatment...

Cornettoninja · 05/08/2021 21:03

For anyone saying the problems in hospital are because we are obsessed with covid, are you suggesting we just don't treat covid patients? Leave them at home to possibly die so there are more spaces in hospital? As more people would die without treatment

Ah, the question that is never answered, well not with anything that is realistic. I think it’s usually ‘get more doctors and nurses and beds’, but then there’s never a clue where these people actually are. I’m sure people think medical staff can be trained up on a fortnights intensive course and then put to work never mind getting enough to sign up for that..

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/08/2021 21:17

FreshFreesias
So tired of these pro vax threads.
I know far more people who have had life threatening side effects to the vaccine than have actually died of Covid.
But just keep on with the government propaganda, OP.
Literally millions of of patients suffering from cancer and other illnesses are not getting the treatment they need because of this obsession with an illness that is barely killing anyone.
Shame on you

Are you actually serious?🤨

Givemebackmylilo · 05/08/2021 21:25

@Abraxan

Not suggesting she is lying at all.

But this thread is done with the intent to scare people about covid and to get more people vaccinated.

It is ABSOLUTELY FINE to not want to be vaccinated

FreshFreesias · 05/08/2021 21:43

@Givemebackmylilo I couldn’t agree more.

There seems to be a concerted effort on all social media sites at the moment to demean and degrade those who do not wish to be vaccinated, and demonise them as ‘anti vaxxers’.

But what none of these pro vax/pro government posters ever say is that many of those who are ill with Covid have actually been vaccinated.

MareofBeasttown · 05/08/2021 21:46

Fie on OP and her dastardly pro vax agenda.

CirqueDeMorgue · 05/08/2021 21:46

I'm pro-vax but even i think there's an element of 'scaremongery' to this thread.

TheOnlyWayisher · 05/08/2021 21:48

On the flip side my next door neighbour’s son (20s) had the vaccine and died from the reaction. Everything is a risk.

MarshaBradyo · 05/08/2021 21:49

[quote FreshFreesias]@Givemebackmylilo I couldn’t agree more.

There seems to be a concerted effort on all social media sites at the moment to demean and degrade those who do not wish to be vaccinated, and demonise them as ‘anti vaxxers’.

But what none of these pro vax/pro government posters ever say is that many of those who are ill with Covid have actually been vaccinated.[/quote]
If you use pro vax as a term then your position is anti vax. It doesn’t need quote marks.

Why do you feel so strongly about undermining Covid vaccination?

HerRoyalNotness · 05/08/2021 21:51

I’m near houston. Average age of patients in hospital with covid here is 40. They’ve raiSed threat level to red, uncontrolled spread. Schools go back in 2 weeks, with no masks thanks to the governor. It’s a worry. I have 2 too young to be vaccinated and one fully done

Iggly · 05/08/2021 21:56

@FreshFreesias

And before you go into meltdown over my comment, my closest friend died from cancer last month. It was perfectly treatable but the National Covid Service had very little interest in treating anything but Covid.
What do you expect when the government has massively underfunded the NHS so it has come down to this?
Sunflowergirl1 · 05/08/2021 21:58

My DH relative is a vehement anti-vaxer. She is posting every day about the state conspiracy to poison us. Me, currently contracting to the NHS and seeing doctors and nurses in ITU that say that the anti - Vaxers are tending to reform and regret very quickly once infected and before they are put into coma and intubated. In fact the press reported on some.

I have no sympathy.

PandemicAtTheDisco · 06/08/2021 01:57

I have an anti-vaxxer friend who has been supporting all manner of outlandish conspiracy theories. She started out as a covid denyer, mocking sheeple wearing face nappies and then started up on the vaccines. She came across as a bad-mannered, aggressive bully with a splash of condescending sheer nastiness - she has been difficult at times previously but covid has completely altered her personality.

We think she may have been arrested then sectioned because she had started to confront strangers on the street outside her house (we are hoping she hasn't been hospitalised with covid) - I wonder how many people with their extreme views and confrontational approach on all sides are struggling with their mental health?

People have been really rude if you get too close to them in the supermarket, verbally abusing strangers for not wearing a mask and trying to police everyone. This is not normal behaviour yet seems to have been normalised to some extent.

Abraxan · 06/08/2021 11:01

[quote Givemebackmylilo]@Abraxan

Not suggesting she is lying at all.

But this thread is done with the intent to scare people about covid and to get more people vaccinated.

It is ABSOLUTELY FINE to not want to be vaccinated[/quote]
It's a choice people can make, yes.

However, the OP is perfectly allowed to start a thread to talk about a young person they know who has died from covid. It seems somewhat unsympathetic to dismiss the OP's thread when they are talking about someone who,has very recently died.

We don't police other threads in this when a young person has died from another cause. We'd normally show compassion surely?

If you're happy to be unvaccinated - own it. It's your choice. But your choice doesn't mean others can't talk about a death caused by covid.

Abraxan · 06/08/2021 11:04

But what none of these pro vax/pro government posters ever say is that many of those who are ill with Covid have actually been vaccinated

Do you understand why there are more vaccinated adult ill with covid compared to unvaccinated?

Have you seen the percentage of adults in the UK who have been fully vaccinated compared to those unvaccinated? This will help answering the first question a bit easier.

And do you understand about why some clinically vulnerable fully vaccinated adults may still be ill with covid?

lightlysparkling · 06/08/2021 11:24

@TheOnlyWayisher

On the flip side my next door neighbour’s son (20s) had the vaccine and died from the reaction. Everything is a risk.
Which vaccine? Are many people reacting to Pfizer?
hazandduck · 06/08/2021 11:35

@lightlysparkling to be fair, I have known 2 people have adverse reactions to Pfizer, one who had an issue with her liver, the other who had inflammation around his heart and will take up to a year to recover.

I’ve known about 20 people have covid, most after they were vaccinated and it was like having a heavy cold but also with intestinal issues (d&v).

I’ve known 2 people hospitalised from
Covid, 1 ventilated for weeks (my poor MIL) and 1 who had asthma was given oxygen but then discharged the next day.

I’m not trying to scaremonger or be anti vax. But just answering your question and trying to be balanced. I’ve had my first Pfizer and awaiting my second now.

I’m sorry for all the tragic losses on this thread. It’s sobering reading :(