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A young man I know has just died

132 replies

Sunshinesandice · 05/08/2021 08:56

Young (20s) fit healthy , struggled in hospital with Covid . Passed away a few days ago.

Life is so cruel. I also see that a fifth of hospital admissions are now younger patients .

Will this get worse ?

OP posts:
RonaldMcDonald · 05/08/2021 10:41

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER

There’s a piece in today’s Times about a (formerly) incredibly fit and healthy ‘iron man’ who had refused the vaccine and died of Covid at 42. His sister is quoted as saying, ‘He believed in his own immortality.’

Also in that paper, a piece about hospitals in the south of France being placed on an emergency footing because of an upsurge in intensive care admissions.

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It’d be good to think that the vaccine refusers on here might take note, but I’m not holding my breath.

My brother knows him, both are anti vax ( he and my brother) Dreadful, awful stuff Will not listen to reason even when younger people are becoming v I’ll or dying Thinks it is a conspiracy
peacelily3 · 05/08/2021 10:44

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER

There’s a piece in today’s Times about a (formerly) incredibly fit and healthy ‘iron man’ who had refused the vaccine and died of Covid at 42. His sister is quoted as saying, ‘He believed in his own immortality.’

Also in that paper, a piece about hospitals in the south of France being placed on an emergency footing because of an upsurge in intensive care admissions.

Quote

It’d be good to think that the vaccine refusers on here might take note, but I’m not holding my breath.

His sister tweeted on 3rd July that he had asthma and is now saying his only pre existing condition was his belief in his own immortality so no mention of asthma now so which one was it? I struggle to believe most headlines now . I'm not anti vaccine at all have had my first awaiting my 2nd. ! it's incredibly sad that it has happened anyway.
A young man I know has just died
HPLikecraft · 05/08/2021 10:46

@ACreakingGateNeverStops

I agree. There was a nasty vomiting virus going around a few years ago. My DD caught it, threw up for a while, got better. Like most people. But a teacher friend told me that a 12 year old pupil of hers died of it, due to dehydration. Awful and heartbreaking, but very rare.

It’s the “fit and healthy” and young dying with COVID that make the headlines; they don’t report on the 99+% that get better.

Sallycinnamum · 05/08/2021 10:49

DH and I had a huge argument with our friends at the weekend over this 'just the flu' fallacy.

Both are in their early 50s and one works in the care sector (admin role) and neither are getting the vaccine.

I'm all for making a choice but I can't believe after 18 months they still believe it's only the elderly who suffer with covid and die.

Tbh, it's really changed how I feel about them. The lack of compassion from them both was staggering.

notimagain · 05/08/2021 10:52

Also in that paper, a piece about hospitals in the south of France being placed on an emergency footing because of an upsurge in intensive care

In the interests of playing down fears/for context I’m in an area that is effected by the decision to activate what is known as a “plan blanc” and I’m not quite sure I’d say it equates with “emergency footing”, it’s not great step to take but but it’s more of a yellow alert than a red one….

Plan Blanc allows hospitals to start taking certain measures to e.g. reduce admissions for some elective procedures if they feel it is necessary or cancel some leave again, if they feel it is necessary, in anticipation that things might get bad…

…and some of the TV coverage here has made a point of actually showing interviews with at least one or two patients suffering from Covid sat in hospital stating they seriously regret not getting vaccinated.

FlagsFiend · 05/08/2021 11:16

@peacelily3 my husband has asthma but that didn't count as an at risk condition for covid. He was vaccinated in line with age, not group 6 for clinically vulnerable (I checked carefully as he is flu jabbed on health grounds but group 6 required oral steroids or previous hospital adminsion not inhaler management only). It could be that it is the same for this man and so his sister doesn't count his asthma as it wasn't supposed to make him more at risk.

Givemebackmylilo · 05/08/2021 12:02

It’s the “fit and healthy” and young dying with COVID that make the headlines; they don’t report on the 99+% that get better

This with bells on.

Absolute scaremongering.

AdoptedBumpkin · 05/08/2021 12:05

Sorry to hear this Sad

PuzzledObserver · 05/08/2021 13:32

@x2boys

Whilst its very sad that someone so young has passed away from covid most people do make a full recovery, there are always going to be people who get ill and die, but thankfully its rare in young people.
It is rare in young people, yes.

And would be 20x rarer still if they got vaccinated. Vaccination would also reduce the risk of long Covid, which is a more likely outcome than death.

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 05/08/2021 13:36

"I also see that a fifth of hospital admissions are now younger patients ." Well of course they are, they've had less time to get the vaccine.

GreatBigBeautifulTommorow · 05/08/2021 14:33

Sorry to hear that OP.

Telling the truth isn’t scaremongering.

It may be rarer for young people to die but I’m sure that’s no comfort to their loved ones when their is a freely available vaccine that reduces severe illness and death.

sleepwouldbenice · 05/08/2021 14:52

@pucelleauxblanchesmains

"I also see that a fifth of hospital admissions are now younger patients ." Well of course they are, they've had less time to get the vaccine.
My daughter is 18 and has her second this week. There has been less time I agree, but that's simply not the main reason.
Lovelydovey · 05/08/2021 14:59

I’m so sorry OP.

I lost both my parents to Covid earlier in the year (one unvaccinated due to timing/priority, one had had the first vaccine) and I currently have an uncle ventilated in ICU (double vaccinated but very vulnerable). All were/are in early-mid sixties so not old. My DM was fit as a horse and walked 10+ miles everyday before catching Covid.

It’s not a conspiracy - it can be devastating and no-one can predict how it will affect them.

LostThings · 05/08/2021 16:09

@lovelydovey that's terrible. So sorry to hear about your parents. I hope your uncle recovers soon. Flowers

walksen · 05/08/2021 16:35

There was a narrative earlier in the year that anyone under 50 was safe and we were locking down to protect the elderly. That may have been true for the original strain but am not sure the messaging has been clear, Because lots of people in their 20's and 30's and 40's think they are at little risk so opt against the vaccine. Delta seems to be a different beast and can cause hospitalisation and very rarely still death even in young and fit people.

I mean if you recover initially there is some chance of long covid or post viral fatigue whatever you want to call it that can last week's or months.

Sympathies to all who have lost anyone or is still struggling after infection

FizziWater · 05/08/2021 16:53

@Lovelydovey I'm so sorry about your parents. I do hope your uncle recovers.
I have two DC in their 20s. They and all their friends jumped at the vaccine. I don't understand anyone who wouldn't.
Any young person who dies prematurely is a tragedy and to think it could have been prevented must be harrowing for their families. Like dying in an RTA because not wearing a seat belt.

Cancellingadvice · 05/08/2021 17:00

Has anyone seen any stats as to how delta impacts younger people vs the original strain? Anecdotally, this variant seems to hit younger people much harder

Sorry for your loss op

TheTallOakTrees · 05/08/2021 17:11

So in France "and some of the TV coverage here has made a point of actually showing interviews with at least one or two patients suffering from Covid sat in hospital stating they seriously regret not getting vaccinated."

I noticed on the US news they reported on a chap (I think he was 39 or 40) that said he wished he had the vaccine and didn't. After he died his family released his words and pleas - it's sad but he too thought he would be ok. Most are ok but you don't know if you are the one that will get very ill.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 05/08/2021 17:12

[quote FlagsFiend]@peacelily3 my husband has asthma but that didn't count as an at risk condition for covid. He was vaccinated in line with age, not group 6 for clinically vulnerable (I checked carefully as he is flu jabbed on health grounds but group 6 required oral steroids or previous hospital adminsion not inhaler management only). It could be that it is the same for this man and so his sister doesn't count his asthma as it wasn't supposed to make him more at risk.[/quote]
From what I can tell from MN asthma only counts as a pre-existing condition if you die from covid. Until you get to that point you just need to get on with life as normal and stop worrying because you are no more at risk from covid than anyone else.

TheTallOakTrees · 05/08/2021 17:14

There are a few more families releasing stories of loved ones that have been unvaccinated and died of covid, in the hope of helping others.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-vaccine-hesitant-john-eyers-dies-b1896650.html

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/vaccine-jab-sceptic-died-covid-21153490

All these were men who thought they were invincible and didn't think they needed the vaccine to protect them. They all died. A complete waste of their life.

ACreakingGateNeverStops · 05/08/2021 17:15

@Cancellingadvice

Has anyone seen any stats as to how delta impacts younger people vs the original strain? Anecdotally, this variant seems to hit younger people much harder

Sorry for your loss op

Here you are:

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

This is the data published daily by Public Health England that shows everyone who has died in hospital from covid. The daily excel file shows breakdown by age and the weekly file shows breakdown by other criteria such as existing illness, ethnicity, gender etc.

I assume the additional deaths not accounted for in these statistics are from older people who have died in a care setting.

I hope you find this useful Smile

MarshaBradyo · 05/08/2021 17:19

@GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER

There’s a piece in today’s Times about a (formerly) incredibly fit and healthy ‘iron man’ who had refused the vaccine and died of Covid at 42. His sister is quoted as saying, ‘He believed in his own immortality.’

Also in that paper, a piece about hospitals in the south of France being placed on an emergency footing because of an upsurge in intensive care admissions.

Quote

It’d be good to think that the vaccine refusers on here might take note, but I’m not holding my breath.

I saw that piece too on death of man

I don’t know if it helps people change mind on vaccination but hopefully more will

TheTallOakTrees · 05/08/2021 17:22

For the friends of the man in the Welsh story above they were weeping and wished they could turned back the clock for him. Anti vax shite spreading has a lot to answer for. Don't want it then don't get it but don't spread misinformation and shit to make sure other people don't get it - you could end up killing them.

bumbleymummy · 05/08/2021 17:42

Delta seems to be a different beast and can cause hospitalisation and very rarely still death even in young and fit people.

That has been the same throughout. If you look at the actual hospital figures, there aren’t significantly more in hospital now than there were over the winter months when we had a similar level of cases.

Watapalava · 05/08/2021 17:46

The young people in hospital are almost definitely on for other things but have tested positive