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A young man I know has just died

132 replies

Sunshinesandice · 05/08/2021 08:56

Young (20s) fit healthy , struggled in hospital with Covid . Passed away a few days ago.

Life is so cruel. I also see that a fifth of hospital admissions are now younger patients .

Will this get worse ?

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Northernsoullover · 05/08/2021 17:50

My local paper wrote about the poor 42 year old. The comments were appalling. Someone said yeah he may have felt fit but what was his diet like? (Seriously) and it was a 'media agenda' and emotional blackmail Hmm. Nothing will change their minds these anti vaxxers. Nothing.

Quartz2208 · 05/08/2021 17:58

I dont think there necessarily is a change in variant just the effect that the vaccines have had.

In January there were 39000 people in hospital 5.4% were under 40 - 1900

Now 5-6000 are in and 20% are under 40 so 20%. The figures of the younger ones (who tend to be unvaccinated if you look at the breakdown) havent changed as dramatically as the change in percentage would seem. What has changed massively is the 40+ age range because they are the ones who are vaccinated.

The numbers of young who are getting seriously ill/dying I dont think is changing that dramatically between the variants but as a percentage it is because of vaccines

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 05/08/2021 18:11

@Watapalava

The young people in hospital are almost definitely on for other things but have tested positive
Irrelevant. They still have a massive impact on the NHS.
Watapalava · 05/08/2021 18:12

Like they would any other time

They prob didn’t even know they had covid til they tested on arrival

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 05/08/2021 18:31

@Watapalava

The young people in hospital are almost definitely on for other things but have tested positive
Evidence?
Cornettoninja · 05/08/2021 18:35

@Northernsoullover

My local paper wrote about the poor 42 year old. The comments were appalling. Someone said yeah he may have felt fit but what was his diet like? (Seriously) and it was a 'media agenda' and emotional blackmail Hmm. Nothing will change their minds these anti vaxxers. Nothing.
I suspect that a lot of it is rooted in denial about the enormity of it all and manifests in a way that they can exert some control over the situation through defiance. It’s not easy for anyone to process this last year or so.

To be able to deny that covid causes actual serious illness in people despite living the pandemic themselves takes a serious amount of effort to reject evidence from multiple sources in multiple countries. It’s a very different mindset to those who choose to decline the vaccine on grounds they don’t trust it although there will be crossover in the arguments between the two groups. I suspect a person who has decline the vaccine and found themselves very ill is less regretful than someone who put their trust in the idea it was ‘just flu’ (which is incorrect in itself anyway, flu is a beast of an illness and can catch the young off guard just as much as covid. We just have more residual immunity in the population)

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 05/08/2021 18:47

I suspect it’s a number of different groups cornetta.

I can certainly see why under 30s might not get vaccinated or might not have rushed out to book a vaccine ASAP without them necessarily being Antivax.
And we’re quite good at convincing ourselves that things will happen to other people and not us.

TheTallOakTrees · 05/08/2021 18:53

Northernsoullover
"My local paper wrote about the poor 42 year old. The comments were appalling. Someone said yeah he may have felt fit but what was his diet like? (Seriously) and it was a 'media agenda' and emotional blackmail hmm. Nothing will change their minds these anti vaxxers. Nothing."

The hard core anti vax - I agree they wouldn't want a vaccine - apart from the ones in the stories in the US and UK that regretted their decision prior to dying.

However, some of the friends/famly of the individuals that died might have a think and wonder if the anti stance is worth it. Who knows.

TheTallOakTrees · 05/08/2021 19:00

@Watapalava

Like they would any other time

They prob didn’t even know they had covid til they tested on arrival

Well the 42 year old previously healthy Welsh man was in for covid only.
You can deny as much as you want but evidence is the important thing. Evidence says that the vaccine is breaking the link between severe illness and death in most people. For the unvaccinated they may be fine, they may not, up to them to take that chance, no problem. Its the one that spread the anti vax misinformation that puts others off who are anxious that I find the most ignorant.
Burtknowsbest · 05/08/2021 19:04

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Abraxan · 05/08/2021 19:06

@Givemebackmylilo

What a load of scaremongering g
Are you suggesting the OP is lying about the person she knows? If not, this is a fairly unkind post on the thread of someone who may well be upset that someone she knows has just died!
Northernsoullover · 05/08/2021 19:07

@Burtknowsbest

Fgs.. whilst I know and so do we all how deadly Covid can be, let’s just remember that at least 95*% and more do not die from Covid!
Ok. So if you were in a room of one hundred people and were told that 5 of you would die would it feel like such great odds then? It wouldn't to me.
KeyboardWorriers · 05/08/2021 19:08

The "incredibly fit thing" is a frustrating narrative because in several local cases of "incredibly fit' people dying they have clearly been extreme body builders and from what I have read many of the drugs used by body builders are major risk factors for covid. Yet the articles play on the astonishment that someone "fit and healthy" could die, rather than highlighting the proven risks of drugs and supplements used in body building

MarshaBradyo · 05/08/2021 19:09

@Burtknowsbest

Fgs.. whilst I know and so do we all how deadly Covid can be, let’s just remember that at least 95*% and more do not die from Covid!
It is rare bit then the way to avoid it in most cases is really simple.

Anyone unvaccinated who didn’t get risk right must regret it

KeyboardWorriers · 05/08/2021 19:09

(not saying that was the case for Ops friend of course, but certainly local to me several of the cases were"young and fit" people with a very similar build)

Abraxan · 05/08/2021 19:10

@Watapalava

The young people in hospital are almost definitely on for other things but have tested positive
I went in to hospital initially with something else. I tested positive whilst in - my admission test returned positive.

Turned out the reasons I was in were because of covid - covid trigged the issue and made it much worse.

Do you know the actual reasons these people are in hospital or are you just guessing, in order to play down the fact that these people are ill with covid?

FreshFreesias · 05/08/2021 19:13

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nevergoesaway · 05/08/2021 19:17

@FreshFreesias

So tired of these pro vax threads. I know far more people who have had life threatening side effects to the vaccine than have actually died of Covid. But just keep on with the government propaganda, OP. Literally millions of of patients suffering from cancer and other illnesses are not getting the treatment they need because of this obsession with an illness that is barely killing anyone. Shame on you.
This is such a vile and nasty comment.
MareofBeasttown · 05/08/2021 19:17

Still see so many posts on here by people saying they are not taking the vaccine because they don't smoke or drink and are really, really slim and fit. Almost a point of pride. "I am just way too healthy to get Covid. I only eat organic food, I exercise, I don't put any additives in my body" .... As if the rest of us are wandering around with BMI's of 45, smoking 20 a day , eating Big Macs, and drinking 30 units a week.

The narrative that only the old and unfit need to take the vax has to change.

FreshFreesias · 05/08/2021 19:17

And before you go into meltdown over my comment, my closest friend died from cancer last month. It was perfectly treatable but the National Covid Service had very little interest in treating anything but Covid.

Cornettoninja · 05/08/2021 19:18

@Burtknowsbest

Fgs.. whilst I know and so do we all how deadly Covid can be, let’s just remember that at least 95*% and more do not die from Covid!
Fair point but it’s easy to tip to far into complacency too.

Covid has proved itself worthy of respect, crack on with life but it a healthy respect of what’s it’s capable of is probably the best balance. I know how to swim, it doesn’t mean I’m going to throw the rule book out the window if I go in the ocean.

MarshaBradyo · 05/08/2021 19:20

@FreshFreesias

So tired of these pro vax threads. I know far more people who have had life threatening side effects to the vaccine than have actually died of Covid. But just keep on with the government propaganda, OP. Literally millions of of patients suffering from cancer and other illnesses are not getting the treatment they need because of this obsession with an illness that is barely killing anyone. Shame on you.
But the more vaccinated then the sooner we can do other treatment more consistently.

Why would you want people not to be vaccinated and prefer anti vax to pro vax?

In fact the whole post has skewed figures at base of it

Cornettoninja · 05/08/2021 19:20

National Covid Service

You had my sympathy till you trotted this line out.

Nsmum14 · 05/08/2021 19:21

Tragic. But it is scaremongering. If there are over 30.000 daily cases, and around 70 daily deaths (many of these are likely to be very elderly, vaccinated people), chances of the young, healthy and unvaccinated dying of covid are very very very low.

AustinPowerful · 05/08/2021 19:22

I'm sorry for your loss op , so very sad.

It's such an odd virus, it seems like you can't always predict how it's going to affect people.

My 75 year old FIL in remission from recent cancer/ treatment had very few symptoms and was out and about by the end of his isolation period yet I (healthy 40 yr old with no underlying conditions) was bedridden for weeks and had long covid.