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It’s a disgrace pupils in Scotland must continue with this farce

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Igorussia · 03/08/2021 19:34

Mask wearing, social distancing. It affects their learning, interaction and it’s gone on for long enough. Enough is enough. It was highlighted that masks are useless against the delta variant unless N95 masks. My children will be exempt from now on. This has been going on for far too long and one of my children has become very badly affected mentally by lockdown. Fuck this.

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Pootle40 · 03/08/2021 22:18

@Pastrydame

But would you have room for them? He will be in class with about 50 people, when you add different subjects. Big house! Fortunately the school will want a bit more detail than you have chosen to give us Smile and you might find your dc wears a mask to fit in with his classmates anyway (my dc's school always has plenty spares to hand out).
I could fit 50, we have a large extension. They can question me all they like. My son has dyspraxia and he won't be doing lateral flows either as that brings on major panic, crying and stress.
Pootle40 · 03/08/2021 22:19

@Pastrydame

Have just asked 13 year old ds. He sees two pupils who don't wear them in his classes. That's not a lot, thankfully. Your attitude is unfair to the pupils who have actual reasons for not wearing masks.
No it's not my attitude. It's my own personal decision which thank fuck hasn't been removed from me yet.
RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 03/08/2021 22:19

I was going to say - lots of secondary teachers said that they had masks available, and children who didn't come in to school with them, often put them on anyway. Without comment from adults.

Children understand how this works. They are not stupid.

Sally872 · 03/08/2021 22:19

It's being reviewed after 6 weeks. It isn't long in the grand scheme of things and better to be cautious.

Teenages are close to adults yet unvaccinated. The vast majority of over 18s are double vaccinated.

Hopefully they will have the evidence they need to show masks not needed after the 6 weeks. In the meantime caution makes sense to me.

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Igorussia · 03/08/2021 22:22

@Pootle40. Good we need to take a stand on this. Far too much time has been sacrificed to this now. Time to get on with life and stop hiding behind masks.

@Rainuntilseptember - what an odd turn of phrase..”your work”. I’m not preparing a school project! Also it is news as it was reported in THE NEWS. V odd.
@cantkeepawayforever. What job do you do? Are you a teacher who will just keep on getting paid regardless of lockdown after lockdown? I’m afraid there won’t be anymore lockdowns as the government won’t pay furlough and people will not comply. Lockdowns are the contemplation of state funded employees . No more lockdowns, no more bubbles no more homeschooling. It’s done

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GoldenOmber · 03/08/2021 22:33

Hopefully they will have the evidence they need to show masks not needed after the 6 weeks.

What sort of evidence do you think they might see after the 6 weeks, that they haven't been able to see over the past 12 months?

Pootle40 · 03/08/2021 22:34

@GoldenOmber

Hopefully they will have the evidence they need to show masks not needed after the 6 weeks.

What sort of evidence do you think they might see after the 6 weeks, that they haven't been able to see over the past 12 months?

Precisely. Forever dangling 🥕
MeanderingGently · 03/08/2021 22:34

Well, I don't know about Scotland but working in a school (currently on holiday of course), I am fed up with catching all the usual coughs, colds and stuff....and now COVID. I would much prefer to continue social distancing, plenty of fresh air, masks worn by everyone and no crowded events where kids and staff are jammed into a badly-ventilated room.

Since no-one else seems to share my concerns and we'll be back to the usual come September, I'm leaving. I shall be happier in a job where everyone keeps their distance and I can work in my own area without much contact and no children....

neveradullmoment99 · 03/08/2021 22:37

@illuyankas

Seriously, while other countries worry about effects of delta, you are happy to expose your children without any mitigation? Mask wearing and sd don't kill or make children ill, while unlucky children die or get seriously ill with covid. I hope English school bring back masks in September.
This. So glad they are keeping masks.
neveradullmoment99 · 03/08/2021 22:39

I am also thinking about vunerable children who have not had their vaccination yet. What do we do with them? Just chuck them under a bus.
This thread if offensive OP.

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Pastrydame · 03/08/2021 22:47

What a nasty comment Hmm

JanFebAnyMonth · 03/08/2021 22:48

I wish my secondary school was in Scotland sometimes.

What do you think CEV children and staff should do, OP?

GoldenOmber · 03/08/2021 22:48

"We plan to keep masks in secondary schools until vulnerable children have had the chance to be vaccinated" would be a totally reasonable thing to say, whether you agreed or not. But that's not what they've said, is it? We don't know what the criteria are for removing masks. We don't have any clue at all what sort of conditions they would want to have in place before removing them. Maybe after 6 weeks? Maybe after 6 years? Maybe after every single person on the planet has had 14 booster vaccinations and not before? We don't know, because the government either hasn't made plans beyond "who knows, let's see how we feel" or has made plans but doesn't want to tell us.

Do the posters from outside Scotland saying "great idea, wish we were doing that here" understand that in Scotland it's not just secondary-age children? Primary-age children don't have to wear masks in school but do in other public places, from age 5 and up. Are your 5-year-olds in masks every day? Lots of ours are. Mine is.

And all the kids I know have been very patient, and they have been very good, and they do their best to get through this. But we have asked them to make huge, disruptive, damaging changes to their lives for an illness that affects them the least of any age group, and if we're still going to ask that of them now - especially for kids that have seen their exam years massively disrupted and who are looking at that disruption continuing - then surely we should have SOME sort of end in mind and let them know what it is?

Bobholll · 03/08/2021 22:52

Unlucky Scotland.

I hope school is back to normal this year. I don’t really care one way or another about masks but bubbles & close contact isolation have gotta stay gone!

Pastrydame · 03/08/2021 22:55

There is an end isn't there? Review after 6 weeks.

Sally872 · 03/08/2021 22:56

I am in Scotland. 90% of my 5 year olds time is at school, playing at swing park, football, visiting family and friends or at home - all no mask.

He wears a mask briefly for dentist, haircut, supermarket.

I sympathise with teens wearing them all day at school but under 12s are not required to wear them much at all.

GoldenOmber · 03/08/2021 22:58

@Pastrydame

There is an end isn't there? Review after 6 weeks.
'Review' doesn't mean 'stop', does it? We don't even know what they're reviewing. How many cases in schools? How many cases in schools compared to when England's go back? How many cases in schools compared to nightclubs? Whether kids are actually wearing them? What?
Pastrydame · 03/08/2021 22:59

That's true. There'll be a very long document that not many people will read issued in due course!

GoldenOmber · 03/08/2021 22:59

@Sally872

I am in Scotland. 90% of my 5 year olds time is at school, playing at swing park, football, visiting family and friends or at home - all no mask.

He wears a mask briefly for dentist, haircut, supermarket.

I sympathise with teens wearing them all day at school but under 12s are not required to wear them much at all.

And I bet you take your 5-year-old to dentist, haircut, supermarket, etc in your car, yes? Not an option for all of us, and public transport rules are masks for 5 and up. So.
2X4B523P · 03/08/2021 23:06

Wise decision, we're now 15 days since the reduction of mask use in England and cases are skyrocketing.

Pastrydame · 03/08/2021 23:07

How often do you take a child to the dentist, or for a haircut? Confused
Some children will need to use buses for school transport which I agree will be harder for the little ones. Covid zipped through my dc's primary school before the summer though so it's not as if smaller children are immune.

Sally872 · 03/08/2021 23:10

@Pastrydame not often which was my point.

Agree children on school bus wear it daily. But less than 20 mins.

TempsPerdu · 03/08/2021 23:12

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ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 03/08/2021 23:13

Scotland is to be admired for retaining simple easy to do Covid risk mitigation masking for all apart from toddlers and babies. In England we have Alexander Johnson and he has evidently been focusing on other matters than any effective leadership even by his off focused gaslighting standards we come to expect. There will or should be a corresponding per capita Covid case rate.