Get the vaccine and get discount in McDonalds

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🚨👀 | HERE WE GO: The government is in talks with McDonald’s about discounts for vaccinated people

Via @thesundaytimes

McJab and fries

Anyone else think this is completely bizarre?

Yes - well that is worse than McDonalds discounts. Thank you for reminding us of that @Parker231

It brings a moment of gratitude.

A cheeseburger is nothing. In our state it was a lottery with several prizes of $1 million bucks.

@Dustyboots

Young people are not stupid. Our government is stupid and out of touch with reality.

Totally, information and genuine incentives, not crumbs from our masters table.

The arrogance is breathtaking - what do they think young people are? obv they think they are grateful but stupid idiots.

Would be much better if the young people (I assume that is who the McD’s are aimed at) got vaccinated anyway- everyone has had the opportunity.

@Parker231

Would be much better if the young people (I assume that is who the McD’s are aimed at) got vaccinated anyway- everyone has had the opportunity.

Well, logically, they aren't really effected by CV and if what we are told is to be believed, everyone else is vaccinated, so not at risk?

Why would they be rushing to get vaccinated?

My DT’s (22 last month) have been vaccinated to protect them from becoming more seriously ill if they got Covid and to protect others they come into contact with. All their friends have also been vaccinated.

Does anyone remember about 10 years ago they did the chlamydia tests in exchange for cinema tickets? Was always advertised on the radio

Why would they be rushing to get vaccinated?
Because even if they don't get very ill their lives will continue to be negatively impacted by covid unless we can get herd immunity we will have tests and restrictions forever, not to mention vaccine passports.
To reach herd immunity with delta we probably need 92% vaccinated.

I was reading about incentives given out in other countries.
Netherlands = free pickled herring

@FizziWater

Why would they be rushing to get vaccinated? Because even if they don't get very ill their lives will continue to be negatively impacted by covid unless we can get herd immunity we will have tests and restrictions forever, not to mention vaccine passports. To reach herd immunity with delta we probably need 92% vaccinated.

I was reading about incentives given out in other countries.
Netherlands = free pickled herring

But vaccines don't stop you getting Covid, so how can we get Herd Immunity? Multiple infection seems to be v common.

To the extent the people i know who have caught CV recently have all been double vaccinated and passed it on to those who had to self isolate as close contacts.

Ridiculous, we had the opportunity once the link with Covid and obesity was found to do something about this then we had eat out to help out and now offering calorie laden food as an incentive to get the vaccine.
Unbelievable.

Because even if they don't get very ill their lives will continue to be negatively impacted by covid unless we can get herd immunity we will have tests and restrictions forever, not to mention vaccine passports.

Only if people continue to accept this. Some scientists have already said that herd immunity may not be possible with the transmissibility of the delta strain but,with the vaccine reducing the risk of serious illness, we should be able to live with it. Passports make no sense when vaccinated people can still contract and transmit the virus. Why should they be exempt from testing and isolation?

@bumbleymummy - you said yourself, the vaccine reduces risk of serious illness (although you failed to mention it also reduces transmissibility). That would be why vaccinated people could be exempted from testing and isolation, because they are genuinely less risk to others and less at risk themselves. The more people who have been vaccinated, the closer the resemblance to a normal life everyone can have.

Less risk is not no risk is it? Iirc it’s somewhere between 60-85% effective against delta? If you are genuinely concerned about spread and want to keep it as low as possible then you would not exempt people who can still spread the virus from testing.

~93% of over 16s have antibodies from either vaccination or infection. What’s the target for ‘normal life’ to return?

@bumbleymummy

Because even if they don't get very ill their lives will continue to be negatively impacted by covid unless we can get herd immunity we will have tests and restrictions forever, not to mention vaccine passports.

Only if people continue to accept this. Some scientists have already said that herd immunity may not be possible with the transmissibility of the delta strain but,with the vaccine reducing the risk of serious illness, we should be able to live with it. Passports make no sense when vaccinated people can still contract and transmit the virus. Why should they be exempt from testing and isolation?

You seem to divert many threads back to this topic. It looks like even domestic COVID-status passports (so not simply vaccine passports) won't be implemented.

Isolation has adverse consequences for both the individual and the economy. We are moving to a "live with COVID" stage of the roadmap. Vaccinated people are far less likely to be infected by and transmit the virus, hence it makes sense, on a balance of risks, for these people to not isolate if exposed to the virus.

What next, discounts off cigarettes if you get vaccinated?

People who are immune after infection are far less likely to be infected and transmit the virus so can we exempt people with antibodies from testing/isolation too?

But vaccines don't stop you getting Covid
If someone had said this time last year that there would be a vaccine that reduced the symptoms to those of a mild cold we would all have been thrilled.

Get vaccinated and eat junk food because health !! Lol

@bumbleymummy

People who are immune after infection are far less likely to be infected and transmit the virus so can we exempt people with antibodies from testing/isolation too?

Well that was one criteria mentioned in the COVID status pass, as stated in my PP.

Why are scientists unsure about this in contrast to vaccination? Because we have a good understanding of the level of immunity conferred by a course of vaccination, it is controlled. An individual is exposed to a high dose of antigen proven to generate a robust and long lasting immune response.

In contrast, infection is completely variable, with many individuals exposed to a low dose of antigen that will not generate a long lasting or robust immune response. Pretty sure we've had this exact conversation before though?

@bumbleymummy - it’s a bit of a pathetic argument to say that if you cannot get rid of something altogether, you shouldn’t bother with proven ways to reduce the risks to a more acceptable level. Vaccination reduces the risks to an acceptable level if enough people take it up. Whining on about not wanting the vaccine and the reduction in risk being irrelevant is utterly unconvincing, since the reduced risk has been proven to be considerable and exceptionally relevant.

[quote Walkaround]@bumbleymummy - it’s a bit of a pathetic argument to say that if you cannot get rid of something altogether, you shouldn’t bother with proven ways to reduce the risks to a more acceptable level. Vaccination reduces the risks to an acceptable level if enough people take it up. Whining on about not wanting the vaccine and the reduction in risk being irrelevant is utterly unconvincing, since the reduced risk has been proven to be considerable and exceptionally relevant.[/quote]
Yes this.

I do not understand how people can't see past this binary construct of vaccines are either 100% effective or absolute garbage and not worth using.

It's a bizarre argument which keeps being peddled by those not wanting the vaccine.

Yes we did @leafyygreens and I linked you to the evidence that informed the decision of Hiqa (Ireland) to advise NPHET to extend presumptive Covid immunity from 6 to 9 months. There were several studies included in that so I’m not sure why you’re continuing to state that we ‘are unsure’ about it.

And despite prior infection being an option for the European covid pass, it isn’t exactly being publicised as an option in the U.K. people who are immune after infection still feel pressured to have the vaccine in order to get their ‘passport’.

Also genuinely perplexed at those thinking this is going to contribute to the obesity crisis?

Honestly, nobody really thinks that. It is just people on here absolutely have to crowbar references to obesity into everything. As though one big mac made a person fat. It's like the tedious competitive undereating threads, but now we have them for covid too!

@bumbleymummy

Yes we did *@leafyygreens* and I linked you to the evidence that informed the decision of Hiqa (Ireland) to advise NPHET to extend presumptive Covid immunity from 6 to 9 months. There were several studies included in that so I’m not sure why you’re continuing to state that we ‘are unsure’ about it.

And despite prior infection being an option for the European covid pass, it isn’t exactly being publicised as an option in the U.K. people who are immune after infection still feel pressured to have the vaccine in order to get their ‘passport’.

We are still unsure about the level of immunity conferred by a very low exposure, hence why other countries are not adopting this approach. None of the evidence used by Hiqa specifically assessed this

Not sure why you're trying to say otherwise, apart from the general anti-vaccine pushing agenda!