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Under 30k cases today

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TheVampiresWife · 25/07/2021 18:54

And infections falling for the sixth consecutive day.

Excellent news!

Under 30k cases today
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skippy67 · 25/07/2021 23:40

@TheVampiresWife

Also, it's funny how the statistics are 'meaningless' when they show cases decreasing, and are absolutely 100% to be believed when they're rocketing Confused
Exactly.
Wildewoodz · 25/07/2021 23:52

@TheVampiresWife

Also, it's funny how the statistics are 'meaningless' when they show cases decreasing, and are absolutely 100% to be believed when they're rocketing Confused
I see the absolute opposite too to be fair.

Both sides need to be more objective.

Good to see cases fall after the football peak, I hope this continues once the effect of easing filters through but I don’t claim to know either way. Cautiously hopeful

ahoyshipmates · 26/07/2021 00:04

@Covidforever

Its only positive if its true, otherwise, you r just someone who will believe anything at all.

Look at how the numbers are calculated and compare like with like?

If numbers are really falling, thats fantastic but are they and if so, why have deaths gone up? (over last week)

The figures for deaths have always lagged behind the case numbers, because it takes time for their illness to progress to the stage when it can be fatal.
LivinLaVidaLoki · 26/07/2021 05:28

@HelloMissus

Them - the numbers don’t lie. Also them - the numbers lie.
😂😂😂 Love it
NannyAndJohn · 26/07/2021 06:10

We do need to wait until the relevant hospitalisation and death figures come in before we can conclude whether or not this drop is real.

As a PP said - hope for the best, prepare for the worst. We're still going to be staying at home.

sashagabadon · 26/07/2021 07:26

@TheVampiresWife

I've just read that it's the first time that cases have fallen on so many consecutive days since February, and the first time it's happened when we've not been in a lockdown.
Somewhat blows the “lockdown is essential to bring cases down” argument doesn’t it. I think this is actually what those who were against lifting restrictions were afraid of!
swooby · 26/07/2021 07:26

Surely the main impact is from the amount of people self isolating last week. It was over 1 million school children, that's then another 1 million adults to stay home with them, 600 000 or whatever app pings and then the circa 300 000 cases that happened last week and I have no idea how many contacted by test and trace due to those cases. That's got to be at least 3 million (probably many more) people in full on lockdown. A significant proportion of the population. It must have had a huge impact on decreasing the spread for this week. But this sort of selective lockdown isn't supposed to happen after 16th August when isolating as a contact is abolished. So I guess that's when we'll see if case decrease was due to this self-isolating method of locking down chunks of the population or vaccine program.

EasterIssland · 26/07/2021 07:34

@3asAbird

School holidays Bristol started wed and thur just gone. Cases still rising. 50% City double jabbed. We not on area of concern yet despite massively high 1000plus cases in some suburbs. Local hospital struggling.

www.bristol.gov.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-data-cases-bristol-r-number-south-west

Bath also rising.

@3asAbird Bristol hospitals have 60 people (both trusts) 400 at the peak. I’d not consider that struggling
TheVampiresWife · 26/07/2021 07:39

@swooby

Surely the main impact is from the amount of people self isolating last week. It was over 1 million school children, that's then another 1 million adults to stay home with them, 600 000 or whatever app pings and then the circa 300 000 cases that happened last week and I have no idea how many contacted by test and trace due to those cases. That's got to be at least 3 million (probably many more) people in full on lockdown. A significant proportion of the population. It must have had a huge impact on decreasing the spread for this week. But this sort of selective lockdown isn't supposed to happen after 16th August when isolating as a contact is abolished. So I guess that's when we'll see if case decrease was due to this self-isolating method of locking down chunks of the population or vaccine program.
It doesn't really matter why numbers have fallen, though. It matters that they have. Perhaps all those people staying at home has acted like a mini firebreak of sorts - and while they are at home, others are getting fully vaccinated and that wall of immunity gets stronger.

I'm not suggesting this is it and it's all going to be over soon (I personally think that there will be rolling waves of infection for the foreseeable future, just as there are for other illnesses) but for now, it does look encouraging.

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3asAbird · 26/07/2021 07:54

Easter granted admission much lower.
But both a and e struggling and keep seeing noticed on Facebook don't go there..
Southmead had a bad weekend.
Children hospital seen increase in kids with respiratory illness not just covid.
Still very difficult access gp in many areas which think is contributing to increase in a and e.
There are a lot more vaccination centres as before was only Ashton even primark but with 21 days to take effect and 8 week gap between doses means Bristol is only half vaccinated.
The independent school closes a few weeks ago and think there were 147 outbreaks in Bristol schools and 2000 kids off so state school breaking up last week might ease things I hope.
South glos for change seems worse than Bristol with Bradley stoke, stoke Gifford,hanham, Kingswood ,Downend and Emerson higher rates than many parts Bristol although South Bristol within bcc remains high. All these areas are 1000 plus some as high as 1500.

www.bristol.gov.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-data-cases-bristol-r-number-south-west

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/south-bristol-areas-governments-most-5692860

Bristol and sgc over 800 per 100k over 7 days with r rate 1.3 to 1.6

EasterIssland · 26/07/2021 07:58

Yeah I’m not saying Bristol is perfect (my neighbour is 900/100k) just that hospitals aren’t as bad as they were and if they’re it’s not because of COVID (at least the admissions)

A friend had to go to the children’s a month ago and she mentioned it was worse than she’s ever seen it. That’s when the news about the respiratory illness in children were expected were in the news. This is all consequence of locking the kids up for so long in winter. That viruses one way or another will come (they won’t go) so if kids didn’t catch it back in winter they’ll now that things are unlocking

EasterIssland · 26/07/2021 08:08

@swooby

Surely the main impact is from the amount of people self isolating last week. It was over 1 million school children, that's then another 1 million adults to stay home with them, 600 000 or whatever app pings and then the circa 300 000 cases that happened last week and I have no idea how many contacted by test and trace due to those cases. That's got to be at least 3 million (probably many more) people in full on lockdown. A significant proportion of the population. It must have had a huge impact on decreasing the spread for this week. But this sort of selective lockdown isn't supposed to happen after 16th August when isolating as a contact is abolished. So I guess that's when we'll see if case decrease was due to this self-isolating method of locking down chunks of the population or vaccine program.
Contacts now are allowed to have a pcr whilst before they weren’t so despite they’re self isolating they can now test positive.
herecomesthsun · 26/07/2021 08:50

lower case numbers - true

school out - also true

will cases keep declining?

people having fun outside - will help

short-term - IDK

winter - let's not put a downer on things

RedToothBrush · 26/07/2021 09:15

James Ward@jamesward73
This is a powerful graph: it shows how the growth trend in positive cases shifted rapidly over the last week, from high and positive everywhere, to roughly stable: with falling cases in younger ages balanced by continued (but reduced) growth in older groups: 1/5

That data is averaged over a week, so won’t capture the most recent trends. If we look at the data with less averaging, we can see that growth in the older age groups has also now fallen to near zero – even better news, which should feed into hospital admissions very soon. 2/5

Drilling down further to the 20-24s, and with no averaging at all, we can see that we may have hit the bottom on growth rates, at a frankly incredible -67% weekly growth. BUT I’m not sure that’s really a meaningful figure, as it represents the removal of the Euros peak, 3/5

…plus the impact of our recent heatwave (which is now fading), so I’d expect that blue line to rise in the next few days, before it finds its new trend. I’d like to think it will still be slightly negative, but it’s hard to call: it all depends on the impact of Step 4. 4/5

The good news on that front is that there’s no sign yet of an explosion from the opening-up on Monday, but of course we may see more impact from the first weekend of open clubs etc., and/or from a more gradual relaxation of cautious behaviour. But so far, so good. 5/5

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FannyandJohn · 26/07/2021 09:26

I predict no more lockdowns, no reintroduction of restrictions, cases below 5k by the end of August. Normal life 2022. Happy Days😃😃😃😃

RedToothBrush · 26/07/2021 09:27

@herecomesthsun

lower case numbers - true

school out - also true

will cases keep declining?

people having fun outside - will help

short-term - IDK

winter - let's not put a downer on things

The big figure is the collapse in growth in the 20 - 24 year old group.

Now this is the oldest students but not all. And its young people in the work place.

Universities finished for the year some weeks ago too.

I think this is the figure to be watching at the moment. As long as growth in this group stays negative or flatlines at close to zero growth, things bode well.

The positivity rates being extremely high isnt the thing to watch anymore especially going into winter because of the distortion effect of lateral flows making the figures less informative. (high positivity rate counts just mean that lateral flows are working and we are discovering a higher number of cases as a result, and going into winter with other illness floating about you wont be able to compare summer with winter figures easily as its not a like for like situation).

But yes the growth in older groups is also really great news.

This is much more useful than raw numbers of cases tbh.

monstermunch1 · 26/07/2021 09:38

These statistics only demonstrate a pattern of when people are testing - recently we had an increase as everyone tested before their holidays so that when holidays come along they were ready - crack on and enjoy the summer x

Bizawit · 26/07/2021 09:43

@TheVampiresWife

Also, it's funny how the statistics are 'meaningless' when they show cases decreasing, and are absolutely 100% to be believed when they're rocketing Confused
This with bells on.
NannyAndJohn · 26/07/2021 09:48

There is reason to think that way though - when cases look to be declining you have to ask whether the actual number of cases is declining or just the reported number of cases.

When cases are increasing you don't need to consider this.

Horst · 26/07/2021 09:49

Our area is still rising between 66-69% depending on which chart you check. Schools broke up last week.

Hardbackwriter · 26/07/2021 09:50

@NannyAndJohn

There is reason to think that way though - when cases look to be declining you have to ask whether the actual number of cases is declining or just the reported number of cases.

When cases are increasing you don't need to consider this.

Of course you do - obviously it could be an increase in reported rather than an increase in actual cases
TheVampiresWife · 26/07/2021 09:50

@NannyAndJohn

There is reason to think that way though - when cases look to be declining you have to ask whether the actual number of cases is declining or just the reported number of cases.

When cases are increasing you don't need to consider this.

And when deaths are high/increasing, you have to ask whether they all occurred on the same day or whether some are historic (the latter is usually the case).

All statistics are open for interpretation - however, an overall sustained trend can't be ignored.

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NannyAndJohn · 26/07/2021 09:54

@Hardbackwriter When is a reported case not a real case? And if you mention false positives, they are irrelevant here as you'd still get the same proportion of them regardless of whether cases were increasing or decreasing.

The difference between the two scenarios is that a reported case is an actual case, but an actual case might not be a reported case.

@TheVampiresWife This is about cases, not deaths.

YouthfulIndiscretion · 26/07/2021 09:56

The number of reported cases can go up without the number of actual cases going up Nanny. Unlikely but possible if testing strategy changes. Positivity rate is your friend here.

randomlyLostInWales · 26/07/2021 10:05

Schools here have been out a week and we've had the heat wave so I think less mixing -our numbers are well below UK average - they've been really high till earlier this year - but there's been a slight increase in postive tests in our area.

We still have masks and social distancing as well.

I think overall the drop in numbers is a really postive thing - a good sign - but it's a wait and see for medium to long term trends.