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Under 30k cases today

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TheVampiresWife · 25/07/2021 18:54

And infections falling for the sixth consecutive day.

Excellent news!

Under 30k cases today
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borntobequiet · 27/07/2021 21:43

Many schools had very low attendance throughout July - hundreds of thousands of pupils were isolating. Some schools broke up over two weeks ago. Others closed bubbles, whole year groups or shut entirely due to illness. Many parents chose to keep children off school in the last week to avoid compromising holidays. Others will have avoided testing.
It’s really no surprise that rates are falling, given infection rates and unavoidable mixing in schools, and I’m sure @noblegiraffe won’t be perplexed by it.

Panickingpavlova · 27/07/2021 21:46

For now I'm hoping the best but I'd like to know what's going to happen in Sept if... Number climb again

TheVampiresWife · 27/07/2021 21:54

@borntobequiet

Many schools had very low attendance throughout July - hundreds of thousands of pupils were isolating. Some schools broke up over two weeks ago. Others closed bubbles, whole year groups or shut entirely due to illness. Many parents chose to keep children off school in the last week to avoid compromising holidays. Others will have avoided testing. It’s really no surprise that rates are falling, given infection rates and unavoidable mixing in schools, and I’m sure *@noblegiraffe* won’t be perplexed by it.
It doesn't really matter if that's the reason why infections have slowed. What matters is that they have. If they can stay low over the summer while more people become fully vaccinated (or achieve natural immunity), it puts us in a far stronger position come September.

And of course, it's brilliant news from the point of view that thousands of people haven't become ill and potentially hundreds won't die, just on the past week's decreases alone.

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MarshaBradyo · 27/07/2021 21:59

Many on here saying crazy to lift restrictions at whatever we were at - 50k cases

So it’s great to see it halved since then. Really good whichever way you look at it.

Furloughlaylow · 27/07/2021 22:07

@HelloMissus

But I’m not quite sure why people want to somehow discount the significant drop in cases. Is it because they swore down that easing restrictions would result in cases sky-rocketing and they can’t let go of that prediction?
Wasn't that a Govt/Sage prediction?

These figures are quite frankly nothing short of amazing!

IloveSooty424 · 27/07/2021 22:09

This is brilliant news. I bought some of my DS’s school uniform at the weekend (I know it’s early but I like to be organised) and felt really anxious about what was to come in the coming months. I just want my son to go back to school and for things to feel, at least partially normal. He’s only 7 and this pandemic has felt like it’s been going on for a lifetime for him. I have been so depressed reading threads on here for the past 16 months about how schools MUST close. How children are vectors of disease. You wouldn’t think this was a parenting forum reading some of the comments. Children need to be in school. The government should be moving heaven and earth to make sure that happens whatever the case numbers are.

I did hear Neil Ferguson on Radio 4 saying that he now hopes his 100,000 a day infection rate will be proved to be wrong. He’s been wrong before. The general consensus amongst scientists seems to be that there be a slight uptick on Friday to reflect ‘freedom day’ and the lifting of restrictions and then cases may stabilise then go down again. Either way I’ve gone from a feeling of dread of what August would bring and the impact this would have on schools reopening, to quiet optimism. It’s a nice feeling.

RedToothBrush · 27/07/2021 22:12

@borntobequiet

Many schools had very low attendance throughout July - hundreds of thousands of pupils were isolating. Some schools broke up over two weeks ago. Others closed bubbles, whole year groups or shut entirely due to illness. Many parents chose to keep children off school in the last week to avoid compromising holidays. Others will have avoided testing. It’s really no surprise that rates are falling, given infection rates and unavoidable mixing in schools, and I’m sure *@noblegiraffe* won’t be perplexed by it.
My council area. Schools open til Friday. Less bubbles closed for the council area for the last week. Cases now dropping.

If anything I would put the weather as being more significant than schools that week.

Also in terms of people not being able to get a pcr. Well that doesn't make sense either as if that were happening, you would expect the positivity rate to increase. It hasn't. Its dropped.

England is following the same pattern as Scotland still. And today they are saying hospitalisations and deaths are dropping there now. So in Scotland we know a drop in cases isn't due to drops in testing. Its due to case drop.

It could be the sheer number of people isolating, but the 'hit rate' of prevented transmissions gets lower and lower as vaccinations rise because there are less vectors it can spread to anyway - hence why the plan is for vaccinated adults to no longer isolate from 16th August.

Again, we have a population where over 90% now has antibodies. This means there is an ever decreasing pool of people the virus can spread to. The whole point of the vaccine is to achieve as close to herd immunity as possible to limit the spread and severity of the problem and burden on the NHS.

The Euros had the effect of things spiking much steeper and quickly than most had predicted and it really made the scientists nervous that it would carry on. But this spike has been in younger people who have not been double vaccinated - which in itself is good news and although its travelled up the age groups to a degree the vaccines do seem to have done their stuff.

I do worry about the autumn / winter but the numbers are consistent and see to really back up each other in saying that this is a real drop in cases thats hard to explain away as not having been significantly influenced by immunity levels reaching a critical point.

Its now looking like data is suggesting that the R was just below 1 before 19th July. Which is really good news.

It doesn't mean we are out of the woods. But things do look promising.

We have a numbers game here. I hate to keep saying this, but if we know that the vaccine reduces your rates of infection in the double jabbed and we know that reinfection rates are still low and it reduces the severity of covid in the double jabbed and we have had a very high rate of cases in a very short period of time something will eventually happen. And thats we would expect to see a peak and then numbers drop off because there is no where for the virus to go. Unless we have a new variant which changes this - and even then there seems to be rising confidence that we would need a significant mutation for vaccines to not have at least some protective effect at this point (this may of course be misplaced).

RedToothBrush · 27/07/2021 22:14

Also

Oliver Johnson @BristOliver
836 hospital admissions. New Wave 3 record, but the doubling time definitely seems to be increasing, and by eye the curves might just be starting to bend a little?

(there's graphs on the tweet but phone is playing up)

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PomRuns · 27/07/2021 22:20

@siestalady mid August ?

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TheVampiresWife · 27/07/2021 22:34

When's your latest prediction for 100k cases a day, @NannyAndJohn?

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NannyAndJohn · 27/07/2021 22:35

@Panickingpavlova

For now I'm hoping the best but I'd like to know what's going to happen in Sept if... Number climb again
I think that's the most likely scenario - cases will peak in mid-August thanks to the Big Reopening, then start to plateau or even decline for a few weeks before rising when schools go back. And again when universities go back.

Thankfully this brief drop has given us a few days of breathing room.

NannyAndJohn · 27/07/2021 22:36

@TheVampiresWife

When's your latest prediction for 100k cases a day, *@NannyAndJohn*?
We'll have to see how quickly they begin rising again. 100000 a day is definitely still on the table though.
MarshaBradyo · 27/07/2021 22:40

100k for June 21 projection

Now nearly Aug and approx 23k so in a far better place than some said would happen

RedToothBrush · 27/07/2021 22:42

Just to stress.

Peak predicted to be around week of 4th August.

End to double jab isolating 16th August and the government refused to budge on this despite pingdemic.

Why?

Because we had to peak first with restrictions no longer in place - the theory being that at this point cases would crash because the peak effectively marks herd immunity through vaccination and cases.

The government couldn't lift isolation rules before the peak because it would drive up cases, but after cases theoretically should drop quickly (the peak and drop in India for delta has been particularly steep) - which also frees up testing capacity.

Whilst predictions have been off on numbers of cases they have more or less got when we should peak about right.

I really don't see how cases can rise again significantly going into the middle of August.

Not without very flawed data about reinfection rates and transmissibility in the vaccinated.

Barring another new variant, the numbers just don't work for alternative scenarios. As much as people might want to criticise / be pessimistic. The arguments just don't stack up with the information.

Tealightsandd · 27/07/2021 22:45

If cases do stay low, than we can afford to treat patients with regeneron.

TheTallOakTrees · 27/07/2021 22:49

It's brilliant that cases are falling.

It's brilliant that the vaccine has reduced the death rate and hospitalisation rate.

Great news

TheTallOakTrees · 27/07/2021 22:51

@NannyAndJohn

Isn't it time for you to rein in the negatively and wows and the end is nigh predictions?

Aching1536 · 27/07/2021 22:51

@IloveSooty424

This is brilliant news. I bought some of my DS’s school uniform at the weekend (I know it’s early but I like to be organised) and felt really anxious about what was to come in the coming months. I just want my son to go back to school and for things to feel, at least partially normal. He’s only 7 and this pandemic has felt like it’s been going on for a lifetime for him. I have been so depressed reading threads on here for the past 16 months about how schools MUST close. How children are vectors of disease. You wouldn’t think this was a parenting forum reading some of the comments. Children need to be in school. The government should be moving heaven and earth to make sure that happens whatever the case numbers are.

I did hear Neil Ferguson on Radio 4 saying that he now hopes his 100,000 a day infection rate will be proved to be wrong. He’s been wrong before. The general consensus amongst scientists seems to be that there be a slight uptick on Friday to reflect ‘freedom day’ and the lifting of restrictions and then cases may stabilise then go down again. Either way I’ve gone from a feeling of dread of what August would bring and the impact this would have on schools reopening, to quiet optimism. It’s a nice feeling.

I agree with all of this. I'm not bothered what people think, the absolute most important thing to me is that my daughter gets a full school year. She's never experienced one yet. Never any bubbles closed. Now the vulnerable and so many others are vaccinated, schools possibly bringing it into the community shouldn't be as big an issue. Sick of the attitude towards kids and schools.
TheTallOakTrees · 27/07/2021 22:59

@MarshaBradyo

Many on here saying crazy to lift restrictions at whatever we were at - 50k cases

So it’s great to see it halved since then. Really good whichever way you look at it.

I know, its great. Lovely to hear good news 👏
Backofbeyond50 · 27/07/2021 23:00

Very positive. Hope the downward trend continues.

TheVampiresWife · 27/07/2021 23:00

And again when universities go back

The majority of students will be fully vaccinated. A huge number will also have natural immunity.

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TheVampiresWife · 27/07/2021 23:01

@MarshaBradyo

100k for June 21 projection

Now nearly Aug and approx 23k so in a far better place than some said would happen

When you put it as bluntly as that it looks even better!
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EasterIssland · 27/07/2021 23:12

@MarshaBradyo

100k for June 21 projection

Now nearly Aug and approx 23k so in a far better place than some said would happen

And 19th July and 1st of august. I know it was difficult but I’m glad every time we chased those predictions we were right. Less people have caught the virus
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