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Unvacinnated family

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shellstarbarley · 25/07/2021 10:13

My SIL and family (5 kids over 18) and partner have not had the vaccine and have no intention to. My eldest nephew's partner has which caused huge rifts within the family. Anyway it is my MIL's 70th birthday soon and we would like to organise a family get together everyone else in the family is double jabbed and no one is happy inviting 7 unvacinnated people to a gathering. MIL wants to totally exclude them - it is her party so her choice really. They live in an area where it is rife at the moment. You would like to think that everyone else has been double jabbed so we shouldn't get it too badly if we do pick it up. WWYD???

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Megasausagehead · 25/07/2021 21:34

OFGS vaccinated people do not shed as much viral load. Thus less likely to spread or be seriously ill.

ilovesooty · 25/07/2021 21:35

@Fre3DoM

The soviet union stopped freedom of movement for healthy people and they also foced injections on people. How many millions died? Wake up and learn some history people.
How is that relevant to the thread?

Mother in law - her party, her choice. I'd be doing the same.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 25/07/2021 21:37

How is that relevant to the thread?

Mother in law - her party, her choice. I'd be doing the same.

MIL's maiden name might be Stalin, I suppose. It doesn't make sense otherwise.

starfish4 · 25/07/2021 21:39

The family have to respect that they've all chosen not to have the vaccine. At the same time they have to respect the fact that not everyone is relaxed about covid as they are and are far less likely to feel comfortable around people who haven't been vaccinated - especially a whole family who are more likely to carry the virus between them.

bumbleymummy · 25/07/2021 22:30

@Megasausagehead

OFGS vaccinated people do not shed as much viral load. Thus less likely to spread or be seriously ill.
‘Less likely’ isn’t a guarantee though is it?If she’s worried enough about covid that she would ban people from her party, she should really be asking for everyone to be tested.
confusedwithschool · 25/07/2021 23:54

@Megasausagehead

OFGS vaccinated people do not shed as much viral load. Thus less likely to spread or be seriously ill.
What proof has there been about this? Some people double jabbed are getting seriously ill with Covid

Its just sad it has come to this really where people have to start discriminating based on vacc status

If the vaccine provided 100percent immunity I would 100percent stand with the MIL but it doesn't soo??

Just get everyone to do LFT tests day before and day of...

Megasausagehead · 25/07/2021 23:59

There are tons of studies. A simple Google search would have informed you, if you were actually interested.

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work

The MIL gets to do her own risk assessment. If she chooses to do that on vaccine, her call.

roguetomato · 26/07/2021 13:54

As Megasausagehead suggested, it looks like more evidence of vaccinated being less transmissible coming as time goes on. I've read this one yesterday.
www.timesofisrael.com/80-of-vaccinated-covid-carriers-didnt-spread-virus-in-public-spaces-report/

halcyondays · 26/07/2021 14:13

Good for your MIL. Why she risk her health because these idiots won’t get vaxed?

Flowerlane · 26/07/2021 14:25

@halcyondays

Good for your MIL. Why she risk her health because these idiots won’t get vaxed?
A bigger risk is being taken by having a party when numbers are still high where many vulnerable members will be attending and also by not asking everyone attending to do a test before.
Porcupineintherough · 26/07/2021 14:35

I think you should respect your MiL's wishes. What are you going to do otherwise, invite them against her will?

Canigooutyet · 26/07/2021 14:39

I'm having a party, am vulnerable and exempt. I've told people I don't care about their vaccine status, however they have to test.
They also have to stay at the fuck away if they are ill with anything, which everyone is more than aware of as I've had this rule in place for over 20 years.

Abraxan · 26/07/2021 15:02

@CoopsMalloops

You can still pass it on and get it when you’re vaccinated.
But the risk is reduced.

You are less likely to catching it and, if you do, then you are around 50% less likely to transmit it to others.

We can't pretend there is no difference between being vaccinated and being unvaccinated when the data shows otherwise.

Abraxan · 26/07/2021 15:03

@Remmy123

Your MIL sounds like a delight .. any vaccinated person there can give her covid just as much as the unvaccinated!!
But this is not true. The vaccinated person is statistically less likely to transmit covid to another person. We know this to be true. Likelihood of transmission is halved.
RisingSunn · 26/07/2021 15:37

How sad.
Maybe she could ask them to do a test before coming?

HBGKC · 26/07/2021 15:59

@Abraxan ok but that isn't really enough information. Risk of transmission is halved thru vaccination, you assert: from 20% to 10%..? From 6% to 3%?

Abraxan · 26/07/2021 16:21

It's not me asserting the up to 50% stat. That is what has been widely published. More details can easily be found I'm sure, if you do a quick Google search for the reported articles.

I'm just fed up with the way some posters always comment that vaccinated people are just as likely to have covid and spread it as unvaccinated people. This is not true. They are significantly less likely to have it and to transmit it. We have been told this time and time again, with data to back it up.

Regardless of whether the MIl on the op is right or wrong, the posters who constantly post this are not right. It might meet some bends to post it, but it doesn't make it true.

Abraxan · 26/07/2021 16:21

Bends - agenda

RedToothBrush · 26/07/2021 16:38

For me its not the vaccine status thats the issue. Its the overall attitude to covid.

Some unvaccinated will be complete anti-vax covid doesn't exist doing high risk activities regardless nutcases. Then there are the unvaccinated, being very cautious worried about the vaccine for health reasons types.

The two groups are quite distinct and the OP and her MIL will have a fairly good idea which these family members fall into.

By the same token you also have the vaccinated who understand they can still have covid / pass it on / are vulnerable and are being cautious (which many of the MIL seems to have as friends) and also the vaccinated and now are doing all kinds of risky things because now they think wrongly that they are completely immune.

If MIL friends and family were cautious and vaccinated and the unvaccinated family members were risk takers then yet i think not inviting would be fine. And the party was all out doors, limited going indoors, no hugging, still trying to socially distance etc as well...

But if the decision is based purely vaccine status its kind of pointless and based on fallacies that actually could be putting the MIL at more risk than the vaccinated family members....

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 26/07/2021 16:39

You are less likely to catch it or transmit it if vaccinated.

Now I may still catch covid and pass it on to my cv family members but at least if I do I know I've done every thing I could not to infect them

Don't get why people can't see the difference . Then again shouldn't really be surprised with the amount of people saying just get them to do an lft🙄

Micemakingclothes · 26/07/2021 16:40

Unvaccinated adults should not be attending social events. They should not be invited.

MareofBeasttown · 26/07/2021 16:43

@Abraxan

It's not me asserting the up to 50% stat. That is what has been widely published. More details can easily be found I'm sure, if you do a quick Google search for the reported articles.

I'm just fed up with the way some posters always comment that vaccinated people are just as likely to have covid and spread it as unvaccinated people. This is not true. They are significantly less likely to have it and to transmit it. We have been told this time and time again, with data to back it up.

Regardless of whether the MIl on the op is right or wrong, the posters who constantly post this are not right. It might meet some bends to post it, but it doesn't make it true.

Totally agree. Fed up with posters trying to push the message that the vaxxed are the same as the unvaxxed because the vaccine is not a 100% efficient. No vaccine is! I do not believe the vaccinated are out doing risky things either. There is no evidence of that. None.
bumbleymummy · 26/07/2021 17:10

No one is saying the risk is the same. They’re pointing out that there is still a risk and there’s no way of knowing whether a vaccinated person is a risk or not unless they get tested too - you can just assume that they’re not.

bumbleymummy · 26/07/2021 17:12

Now I may still catch covid and pass it on to my cv family members but at least if I do I know I've done every thing I could not to infect them

Well, you could test before meeting them rather than just assume you’re immune.

FromEden · 26/07/2021 17:21

Sad. I wonder if your MIL will regret excluding family members in the coming years.